Submitted by AutoModerator t3_z1lj0f in nyc
As a result of this recent post, r/nyc is going to try having a weekly crime thread throughout the month of November. This is a test that will end on December 1. All links submitted that relate to crime must be contained within this thread. Links that are about crime outside of this thread will be removed by the mod team, and OP will be asked to share the link in this thread instead.
Please keep discussions civil.
No chase laws really working out huh.
They help prevent escalating already precarious conditions for other driver and needless accidents, yes.
Police investigators are seeking suspects in a homicide weeks after a 45-year-old man was beaten by about 30 people on ATVs and dirt bikes on East 125th Street in East Harlem, the police said on Wednesday.
The man, whom police identified as Arthur Cooke, was driving east at around 10 p.m. on Nov. 4 when someone in the group struck the passenger-side mirror on his vehicle, the Police Department said. When he got out to inspect the damage, riders began beating him.
Mr. Cooke was taken to NYC Health + Hospitals/Harlem, where he was pronounced dead on Nov. 18 from blunt force trauma to his neck and spine, according to the department.
Dirt bikes and ATVs are illegal in the city, but the city had been grappling for years with the vehicles. Avenues and streets throughout Manhattan are periodically taken over by swarms of riders popping wheelies, performing stunts and videotaping themselves amid a deafening roar.
The takeovers sometimes devolve into violence. In March, a group of dirt bikers dragged a man and his adult son out of their car in Harlem and beat them after the driver accidentally hit one of the bikers.
And in 2013, after a chase ended in the beating of an S.U.V. driver, residents in communities in Harlem, the Bronx, Washington Heights and Inwood began voicing frustrations that the city was ignoring the dangers posed by groups driving the illegal vehicles.
Last year, after several incidents of violence from such groups, the city began cracking down, and a lawmaker proposed legislation to increase fines for those operating the vehicles.
In June, Mayor Eric Adams and Police Commissioner Keechant Sewell announced that the city was ramping up the fight to remove the vehicles from the streets. The Police Department had confiscated over 2,000 ATVs and dirt bikes citywide, Commissioner Sewell said, about 80 percent more than during the same time in 2021.
“They are not only a nuisance and an annoyance to us, but they’re extremely dangerous,” Mr. Adams said at the time.
Honestly we need to make owning these a fucking felony.
Just make it flat out illegal to own them in the 5 boroughs.
https://abc7ny.com/carjacking-new-york-fatal-incident-atvs/12485117/
>Man dies after being surrounded by 30 ATVs and carjacked following fender bender
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>HARLEM, Manhattan (WABC) -- A man has died weeks after his car was surrounded by 30 ATVs in an assault and carjacking following a fender bender.
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>Several members of the group surrounded and attacked Cooke, who was allegedly on a date with his significant other at the time, according to a GoFundMe page.
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>At least one person pull a gun on him before a man, who is not believed to be involved in the beating, reportedly drove off from the scene in Cooke's luxury car.
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>The victim was known to be a court special advocate for Exodus Transitional Community.
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>Exodus' mission is to support justice-impacted individuals who are incarcerated and after they get out. We support them throughout their journey, including often hiring them to be part of our organization so they too, just like Arthur, can give back."
Arthur Cooke was a solid contributor to the community.
It’s really hard to overstate how destructive such violence is to the health and growth of our communities. And how such violence is part of the root cause perpetuating the disparities we have.
And it’s absolutely exhausting to hear people downplay concerns about violence, as if violence was inconsequential.
The whole group should get charged with felony murder
NYC’s delivery workers navigating low pay, dangerous shifts and the loss of their own
Could one of the mods explain how/why this post was delegated to this thread when it’s literally a broad article about the dangers and low pay that delivery workers face and not a post about a “specific crime”.
Youre only allowed to complain about cops parking on bike paths/sidewalks, any other crime is obviously right wing propaganda
Because this rule is arbitrarily enforced based on the whims of the mods.
I can explain: you are jerk.
It’s okay the mods changed course and it was allowed now.
I can re-explain: you are cool guy.
Ayy.
Gay bar vandal caught on camera in Hell's Kitchen, police say >HELL'S KITCHEN, Manhattan (WABC) -- The NYPD has released new, clear surveillance video of an alleged serial vandal who has been targeting a gay bar in Hell's Kitchen amid a rise in hate crimes across New York City and the nation.
>The video shows the man who police say threw a rock through the window of Vers on 9th Avenue Saturday night >Investigators say the same man vandalized the club three times in the last week alone. >Police are asking anyone who recognizes the suspect or has information about any of the incidents to contact them.
3 people stabbed on NYC subway trains; police say incidents were not related >NEW YORK CITY (WABC) -- Three people were stabbed on NYC subway trains in two separate incidents on Wednesday night.
>Officials say two of the victims were slashed on an "L" train pulling into Union Square around 10:30 p.m.
>A 28-year-old woman was cut on her forehead and hand, and the 29-year-old man who rushed to help her was slashed twice.
>The suspect ran and the victims were taken to a local hospital. The suspect, who appeared to be homeless, was described as 6'5" tall, wearing all black, official said.
>About 30 minutes earlier, in a separate incident, two men got into a fight with a knife on a train arriving at Herald Square.
>Officials say one of the men was stabbed in his abdomen and when the fight spilled off of the subway train, the victim was slashed again.
>At this point in law enforcement's investigation, the attacks are not related. No arrests have been made.
> The suspect, who appeared to be homeless, was described as 6'5" tall, wearing all black, official said.
Probably has a giant record and should have been imprison for 5 years now.
Random women slashed on the subway is the price we pay for not punishing other types of crime.
I was remineded last night to always keep your head up and on a swivel! Walking along 26th st in manhattan north Nomad park (mistake at night, i forgot that stretch is rough).
Guy steps over 2 feet and shove/punches me in the arm before i knew what the heck happened, and kept walking. Didn't think much about.
It just happened so fast, was a reminder to always keep your head on a swivel.
Walk that street all the time at night. Never had a problem. Almost like in a city where 9M people live, and millions more commute in each day, on occasion there's a one off issue. Wild!
Which is why I said it's a reminder to keep your head up all the time.. I wasn't at that time and it happened . Wild!
Also, separately on the general message above which is in line with your attempt at a sarcastic comment , that block has a ton of drug addicts that sit on the north side of the park ..
And each of those drug addicts commits crime on other New Yorkers? Confused by your need to specifically point out drug addicts
It's a slightly seedy block, it is what it is your delusional of you deny that. If people who are homeless and smoking crack in the open (Ive seen it many times ) , is it not a seedier block to walk down than say, I don't know, 27th or 28th Street ? Or through the park itself.
Congrats you've never had something happen to you there, neither had i living right by it for many years
You're fixated on that block, when my point was in general of pay attention, and recounted a story that reminded me.
But you just want to have an internet argument over nothing really - hey he said something cancel culture worthy ! WILD!
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Fuck people who normalize crime.
Screw people that normalize n=1 crime situations as “THIS IS HAPPENING TO EVERYONE.”
And, screw people like you who try to terrorize everyone. Want to live in a crime free place? Go to Oklahoma, oh wait. Holy shit! There’s more crime in that state than all the blue “crime friendly.”
You see, the problem with living in a republican far-right propaganda bubble, is you can’t defend Jack shit you say. We can defeat you with facts with whatever stupid talking pint you come up with. Bye dumbass. And oh, Melanie is an illegal alien but you probably think she’s a god. Deuces. Enjoy living in the sewers!
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Please stop with the petty insults or you’re going to catch another ban. Last warning. Thanks.
I'm seeing nothing but pretty insults from the people that I'm replying to. Do you expect me to just take it while you ignore their insults and petty behavior?
> You see, the problem with living in a republican far-right propaganda bubble, is you can’t defend Jack shit you say. We can defeat you with facts with whatever stupid talking pint you come up with. Bye dumbass.
I let your comment to OP stand too that predicated his comment to you. You “started it” so to speak, now I’m just asking you to stop. If he says something else that ends up in the queu I’ll make note to him as well. But you’re showing up all over insulting people right now so please just clean up your own behavior and if you’re upset by a comment report it and move on.
Alright
Thanks
Sounds like the alleged gay bar brick thrower (Sean Kuilan) is gay himself and was attacking the bar not for ideological reasons but because of a personal beef some girl had with the bar.
Just goes to show you it's not always a hate crime.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/22/suspect-in-custody-in-weekend-brick-attack-at-hells-kitchen-gay-bar/
> A suspect was busted Tuesday in the string of attacks on a Hell’s Kitchen gay bar — and allegedly told cops he was just “exacting revenge” on behalf of a gal pal feuding with the club, police said.
> “I’m gay myself,” Kuilan said as he was led out of a police vehicle and escorted into court in handcuffs on Tuesday evening.
Attempted rape on 4 train in lower Manhattan
https://nypost.com/2022/11/24/man-tries-to-rape-woman-onboard-moving-4-train-in-lower-manhattan/
Looks like they arrested the guy
This experiment has been a success in my opinion and I would like to continue seeing these weekly threads in lieu of individual posts come December and 23
Person of interest in Hell's Kitchen gay bar vandalism taken into custody
Assuming another non bail eligible offense?
Edit: I guess the downvoters are okay with potential hate crimes being ignored, cool.
The attention got to the DA office. His court arraignment finally updated and he was held 50k Bond/5k Cash bail. Top charge is for felony criminal mischief. DA office keeping somebody in custody when the top charge is a property crime is far from the norm in regards to DA offices.
For comparison, on his misdemeanor menacing arrest from 2021 where he menace somebody with a knife he was released under supervision.
About time they start taking recidivists more seriously.
>HELL'S KITCHEN, Manhattan (WABC) -- A man was arrested in the serial vandalism of a gay bar in Hell's Kitchen on Tuesday morning.
>Eyewitness News exclusively captured a man entering an unmarked police van after officers spent hours inside a Hell's Kitchen apartment building where they believe he lives.
>Cops say the suspect, identified as 34-year-old Sean Kuilan, hurled a brick at the window of a gay bar in Hell's Kitchen three times in the last week.
>He has been charged with criminal possession of a weapon, criminal mischief and reckless endangerment.
Pretrial detention isn’t punishment for a crime considering people are innocent until proven guilty. No one is ignoring hate crimes if a person isn’t held pretrial.
Keep sticking to the party line.
Right it’s to keep obviously dangerous people away from the public
“Kuilan was arrested by the department’s warrant squad, and was also sought on a warrant in a menacing case from Sept. 2, 2021, the chief said.
Sources said he pulled a knife on the victim in that case and threatened, “Are you okay with dying?” “
Update: they decided to hold him pretrial.
7 On Your Side Investigates disturbing drug, robbery pattern at New York City bars >NEW YORK CITY (WABC) -- 7 On Your Side Investigates has tracked at least 40 people who have been drugged and robbed at New York City bars over the last year, seven of those victims have died.
>The NYPD has arrested six people in connection with the crimes and are looking for at least two more.
>Police say it's not a new crime but they're seeing an increase in cases. Some victims have been swindled out of tens of thousands of dollars and have no recollection of what happened.
>Criminals are targeting people with expensive watches and cell phones at bars throughout Manhattan.
>Detectives say no one segment of the population is being targeted, it's happening to men, women, gay, straight, it doesn't matter. The criminals are looking to get away with as much money as possible.
>NYPD Chief Kenneth Corey said on Wednesday the victims aren't being secretly drugged, but that the drugs are being offered to them.
>"They are actually approaching people in the bar, striking up a conversation, and offering to do drugs with them," said Chief Corey. After that, their valuables are stolen.
>The criminal complaints show a variety of things were stolen from victims from bags to laptops. One victim had $5,000 transferred out of his cell phone's Venmo account. Another had $30,000 worth of cryptocurrency transferred from his cell phone app while passed out.
>Police say two groups of people are behind the string of crimes. One of the groups is more violent than the other and is physically assaulting victims before robbing them.
>7 On Your Side Investigates spoke with the family of one victim who says he did not voluntarily take any drugs before blacking out and being robbed. Instead they say the drugs must've been slipped into his drink.
>The criminal complaints show a variety of things were stolen from victims from bags to laptops. One victim had $5,000 transferred out of his cell phone's Venmo account. Another had $30,000 worth of cryptocurrency transferred from his cell phone app while passed out.
>Police say two groups of people are behind the string of crimes. One of the groups is more violent than the other and is physically assaulting victims before robbing them.
>There is a total of 40 victims, and seven of them died. Some of those deaths are the result of suspected overdoses.
>"You've got a stranger offering you something, you don't even know what it is, certainly not something you should be doing," Chief Corey said.
>The medical examiner reports are still pending but police believe some of the overdoses could be due to fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opioid that's being laced inside a variety of drugs.
>"Now we're in the age of fentanyl, where things are very dangerous," said retired NYPD Chief of Detectives and ABC Contributor Robert Boyce.
>A small amount of fentanyl can be deadly.
>Linda Clary says that's what happened to her son John back in May. He was found dead, with fentanyl is his system she said, after leaving a New York City bar. His phone was gone and his bank account was emptied.
>"I don't want any parent to have to go through this," Clary said.
>Police are making progress. Six people have been arrested and they're searching for at least two more.
> Another had $30,000 worth of cryptocurrency transferred from his cell phone app while passed out.
Sounds like they did him a favor
Is N.Y.’s Child Welfare System Racist? Some of Its Own Workers Say Yes.
It's sad when people get put in jail, and it's sad when people have their kids taken away, but to look at those situations and say "it's systemic racism, so we should stop doing these things" implies that you either aren't aware of the victims of the crimes that carry these penalties, or just don't care. Or perhaps that if we ignore the crime and child abuse, things will somehow work out okay. It's just magical thinking.
EDIT: And they're getting torn to pieces in the article comment section. The nonsense, hand-wavy "equity" arguments fall apart immediately when you're weighing them against the very real safety of children.
This was from Mister Progressive himself:
>De Blasio says there's no racial bias in the city's child welfare system
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>“We’re also talking about a workforce that looks like the people they serve, by and large. So no, I don’t see that challenge,” he added, referring to the racial makeup of the city’s ACS workers. In Fiscal Year 2015, 81 percent of the agency’s more than 6,000 employees were black or Latino, one of the highest percentages of minority employees among city agencies.
>"The report, prepared by a consulting firm that helped governments design more racially equitable systems, was based on conversations with those who chose to participate rather than on a quantitative survey."
Ah yes, so it is a grift.
Imagine this: the composition of ACS can be totally removed from the actual results the agency creates. Especially considering the NYT article poses problems with the agency's standards and not its composition.
> Especially considering the NYT article poses problems with the agency's standards and not its composition.
The NYT attempts to attribute a specific label to the problems with the agency's standards and outcomes: racism.
Who is perpetuating this racism? The article gives us two possible candidates: mandated reporters and ACS employees themselves. Of course, the article doesn't actually label them as racist. It abstractly blames "the system" and "the agency" instead. Occasionally it'll mention poverty as a confounding factor before going back to talking about racism as the issue without really identifying any racist policies the agency operates under.
Are we to believe that it is the 19% non-black, non-Latino ACS employees are responsible for perpetuating all the racism of the agency? Would the racism be solved if ACS employees were 100% black? Something tells me the writer of the article and the advocates mentioned within it would agree that it wouldn't, as they talk about racism as a mysterious, self-perpetuating phenomenon.
The racism in question is the racial disparities in the outcomes of ACS procedures. In some cases, progressives will eagerly attribute racial disparities in the outcomes of a city agency to the demographics of the employees at that agency, so it's not hard to see why someone would believe that they're doing this in the case of ACS. It seems that more and more frequently though, the racism at such an agency will be the mysterious type. We can see this in the educational disparities in the city's public school system. Who is responsible for the fact that nearly 80% of black and Hispanic students in grades 3-8 fail to meet grade-level math standards, compared to 32% of Asian students? The system, the DOE, the standards themselves, and "the school". Belief in the last one routinely manifests itself in city politics as a demand to get rid of admission standards at schools where students are high-performing, in order to give other students access to these "good schools". What makes a school good? I have yet to see this articulated in a satisfactory manner, other than some people putting the blame on funding, in spite of the fact that NYC schools with poorer performance generally get more funding.
The most convenient part about this mysterious form of racism is that whenever a new policy fails to eliminate a racial disparity in outcome, it can be said that it simply wasn't enough to solve the issue. Racism arising from the actions of a racist employee can be addressed by their removal. Racism that exists in the results is much harder to address, so we throw one bright idea after another at it. With regards to disparities in the school system, we may even be able to remedy it by simply removing the results; after all, standardized testing is flawed. I expect this will become a more common demand in the near-future.
Yep. It's yet more magical thinking. The disparate outcomes are proof of racist intent from these organizations!... even though we can't actually point to a single employee acting with racist intent, and the organization is overwhelmingly black, and each case's outcomes are justified by the circumstances noted by each worker.
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I know it’s hard to fathom, but you can certainly reform something to treat people more equally while still protecting victims. And without “ignor[ing] crime and child abuse” (nobody in this article offers ignoring them as a solution).
If Black parents are 13x more likely to have their children removed from their homes then white children, are the benefits for children here really outweighing the disparities this program is perpetuating? Do we believe that Black parents are actually 13x less fit to parent?
> I know it’s hard to fathom, but you can certainly reform something to treat people more equally while still protecting victims.
What if the goals are diametrically opposed? What if abuse is more common in some groups than others, and you simultaneously want to protect children and have equal outcomes? They are at odds. It's magical thinking to say otherwise.
> And without “ignor[ing] crime and child abuse” (nobody in this article offers ignoring them as a solution).
Of course not! It sounds terrible... but it is nonetheless the policy that many people would like because again, they engage in magical thinking that says mutually incompatible outcomes can occur simultaneously. They'll just ignore the evidence that suggests otherwise, which is part of the reason this crime thread was set up. It doesn't matter if you don't believe that, that's what is effectively happening.
> If Black parents are 13x more likely to have their children removed from their homes then white children, are the benefits for children here really outweighing the disparities this program is perpetuating? Do we believe that Black parents are actually 13x less fit to parent?
I'm not going to make such a broad claim, but I also don't see any reason for removals and interventions to be identical across all groups; there's a notable lack of data to back that up. Meanwhile, the article says plainly: "A New York Times analysis of 83 child homicides from 2016 to 2022 found that Black children in the city were killed by family members at about seven times the rate for white and Asian children and three times the rate for Hispanic children."
If those statistics are sound, I see no reason for outcomes to be identical across groups.
> What if the goals are diametrically opposed?
Unraveling systematic biases would make stopping child abuse impossible? Really? I would like to imagine there is a world where policing and child welfare could go the slightest bit further to not disproportionately punish Black folk.
> What if abuse is more common in some groups than others, and you simultaneously want to protect children and have equal outcomes?
Even the numbers in the article you gave for homicides don't begin to track the outcomes we're talking about here.
> but it is nonetheless the policy that many people would like
Who would like that? Who's saying it? Please be specific. None of these people you're talking about are quoted in the article.
You've created a boogeyman here and we see you use it repeatedly. You're not going to find a single person in this sub that would actually claim crime and child abuse don't exist. Nonetheless, an incredibly large contingent of people in this sub do much prefer the entire sub not to be flooded with crime spam. You seem to mistake those two things for being the same, perhaps intentionally because it's useful to portray them as "pro-crime" (your own words).
> Even the numbers in the article you gave for homicides don't begin to track the outcomes we're talking about here.
Please explain what you mean. You asked a question, I did my best to answer, and now you're giving a non-response. Those numbers give proof of very different starting conditions that would rightfully support different outcomes.
> Unraveling systematic biases would make stopping child abuse impossible?
No, the implied proposed solution of this article is not unraveling systematic biases, it's reducing policing and intervention by child protective services which, again absent magical thinking, is going to result in more abused and murdered children.
Solving systemic racism would be great, but I don't believe any solutions you would propose here would work.
> Who would like that? Who's saying it? Please be specific.
You do, and many like you on this sub. You'll never say it out loud, you won't admit it to yourselves, you don't think you do, but you do. You're interested in letting any number of incidents of crime and abuse slide a bit, loosening standards of reporting, etc to try to help abusers and criminals that you see as victims.
The article talks about raising the standard for what constitutes abuse and neglect of children. It's just part of the larger pattern of magical thinking that you can somehow "go easier" on abusers and criminals without necessarily hurting their victims. It doesn't work that way.
> You do, and many like you on this sub. You'll never say it out loud, you won't admit it to yourselves, you don't think you do, but you do. You're interested in letting any number of incidents of crime and abuse slide a bit, loosening standards of reporting, etc to try to help abusers and criminals that you see as victims.
No. More crime and more child abuse is not my goal. What is wrong with you? How do you expect people to rationally engage with your philosophy on addressing crime when this is how you address anybody who doesn’t agree with you?
Oh I never said it was your goal, and you can go back and re-read everything I've said above to verify that. I said that a big chunk of people will ignore abusers and criminals using magical thinking as part of their goals for equity and ignore hard reality and choices. They will choose to favor abusers and criminals in various situations and just hope that it doesn't cause more victimization. When it inevitably does... they ignore it. It's pretty simple.
Everything seems simple when you're a moron
Is that the best you can do?
Honestly, who cares about your feelings and naive political identity when the stakes are so high for these policies. I'd rather prevent more kids from being abused. Go cry somewhere else.
Stupidity only matched by self-righteousness
And yet you offer nothing even remotely constructive or insightful in your responses.
What specifically is stupid? What specifically is self-righteous? And why should anyone care about your feelings here over the real-world outcomes that I'm talking about?
Maybe just for a moment consider the fact that your feelings don't really matter compared to the other things at stake here.
Oh damn, delusional too
And still nothing constructive. You have nothing of value to offer and weren't worth the responses to begin with.
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>still protecting victims.
How can we tell if victims are being protected equally? Should it be just a quota on the number of victims per race, then the remaining victims are out of luck?
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say here, but is there really any evidence that victims are being protected equally now? Here is what the ACS workers themselves indicated per the article:
> But according to the survey, A.C.S. workers and other participants said that rather than starting from a presumption of innocence, “Black and brown parents are treated at every juncture as if they are not competent parents capable of providing acceptable care to their children.”
> Caseworkers said they felt pressured to push their way into people’s homes and not tell parents their rights. They “feel complicit in the harm that A.C.S. can cause Black and brown families” and powerless to change the system, the report stated. Most A.C.S. caseworkers are Black, as is most leadership in the agency’s Division of Child Protection, the agency said.
In this story, the victims are the parents or the children?
A fair reading would pretty much indicate the entire families are getting fucked in these situations.
Maybe this is one of those rare case where the workers in a city department are admitting that they are doing more harm than good.
Reaching a bit no?
Yeah. That’s what the article would indicate.
Why is everything looked at through a racial lens. Has historic racism led to greater share of broken homes in African American communities. Does that affect the capacity to manage children with less support and resources. Children with less supervision get into more trouble and in turn ACS gets involved more frequently. Unpleasant how exploitation in the past still has residual effects today.
The article is paywalled, is there a link to the full report?
Ah sorry, edited with the unlocked link.
Thanks.
The horror
Yes let’s normalize extortion 🥰
You are really clutching your pearls over a decades-old Times Square scam that everyone who’s been in the city for more than a week can easily avoid?
Blame the NYPD for not getting rid of this. It’s been around as long as I can remember
This isn’t asking an unknowing tourist for money for a “mixtape”, this is literally extortion but okay let’s normalize this behavior.
Nose brutally flicked after hardened criminal fraudulently points to nonexistent stain on shirt
> everyone who’s been in the city for more than a week can easily avoid?
So you don't care about the well-being of immigrants, got it. Maybe others do.
Man wanted for alleged kidnapping attempt of boy aboard Manhattan subway train >MIDTOWN, Manhattan (WABC) -- Police are searching for a man wanted for the alleged kidnapping attempt of a child aboard a subway train in Manhattan on Wednesday.
>The incident happened around 8:15 a.m., when three siblings, a 16-year-old girl, 15-year-old boy, and a 10-year-old boy, were traveling to school on a southbound 2 train.
>That's when police say a man followed them at the 149th Street subway station.
>The man sat next to the children and while approaching the 34th Street subway station in Midtown, the man tugged on the 10-year-old boys pants, grabbed his legs and tried to take him off the train while saying to the boy, "Get off. This is our stop."
>Fortunately, the 10-year-old boy's siblings intervened and after a struggle, the suspect fled the subway station on foot.
>He was last seen entering Penn Station.
>No injuries were reported.
>Anyone with information in regard to this incident is asked to call the NYPD's Crime Stoppers Hotline at 1-800-577-TIPS (8477) or for Spanish, 1-888-57-PISTA (74782). The public can also submit their tips by logging onto the CrimeStoppers website.
Will be very interesting to see if the children and mother were known to child protective services. We already had a discussion about CPS this week: https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/z1lj0f/comment/ixdj00j/
> Police found the mother on the third floor of the building naked and “acting irrationally,” with the bathroom tub overflowing and flooding the building, cops said.
If CPS knew and didn’t do anything, that seems like gross negligence.
CPS can't win.
If they investigate people like this, it's somehow racist, as well as classist (as if picking up your garbage and keeping a tidy household with 1 or 2 childrens books around, is something only upper middle class people are capable of), and the Times runs tear jerkers about 19 year old single mothers of 3 that definitely don't still have an addiction problem, and no longer have custody of their kids.
And if they don't investigate people like this, eventually kids get murdered and then it's CPS's fault.
Can we all just agree that we have no consensus on what we want CPS to actually do?
I think people that are willing to prioritize their abstract notions of social justice over the literal safety of children should be completely excluded from discussions on these topics and ostracized from polite society until they can get their heads on straight.
Because it can be both. It's clearly a hard fucking job. That doesn't mean you dismiss claims of bias from the agencies own fucking employees.
I have a friend that's a single parent in a very high paying, demanding job. She makes a lot of money. She lives in a very high end apartment. One night her kid touched a hot pan while she was cooking. She rushed him to the ER - no serious injury though she felt horrible. The doctors told her they had to report the incident to CPS. She understood.
CPS shows up later that night, looks around in awe of the apartment and leaves within a couple of minutes. Now I know my friend isn't abusing her child. But that seemed to be a pretty cursory investigation for CPS to determine that. IF instead she was a single mother in a housing project, with plumbing that had not been fixed by the city and a lack of children's books - do you think that would have gone the same way?
In the end CPS needs to be judged on their consistency and transparency. They could absolutely be negligent in one instance, and biased in another. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
>In the end CPS needs to be judged on their consistency and transparency.
Bingo.
CPS shouldn't be going around applying one standard for rich kids and another standard for poor kids. Or one standard for White kids and another Black kids. Or one standard for kids living in luxury apartments vs. kids living in poorer housing.
They should just be doing their job and assessing whether those kids are in a safe environment.
In the case at hand: it sounded kind of obvious those kids were living in a house with a dry powder keg.
Only thing consistent about CPS is there under funding and large caseloads. 67% of their caseload is following up on unfounded cases the result of mandatory reporting. I would imagine quite a bit of those unfounded cases consist of situations like you describe involving your friend.
Imagine if they went the full throttle in regards to your friends and allocated multiple visits and resources to that case. That would have been another case not being investigated.
Yeah, well according to the above linked article from earlier this week they now have to worry about being racist when deciding to protect kids because of disparate outcomes.
They got torn apart in the comments section. These people are losing ground within their own party because everyone realizes they have no idea what they're talking about, and their policies cause nothing but mass suffering and harm with no sane defense.
Good intentions are worthless in policymaking. Outcomes are all that matters.
Is something missing from this story? Cops show up, arrest mother for trying to burn down apt. Cops leave. An hour later calls come regarding unresponsive children in the house.
Did the first cops just leave dying children in there?
The story has been updated:
> The officers didn’t notice that the two slain siblings were buried under a pile of clothing in the bathtub when they took the mom away. Officers had been told by a neighbor that the kids’ dad had them.
> “She never seemed distraught,” she said of the kids’ mom. “We’d be in the park and she’d put them on the swings. She never displayed no type of behavior like that at all.
i wonder how much of this is postpartum psychosis and how much of it was just mental illness
>The maniac who randomly attacked a 12-year-old boy on his way to school – beating him with a single crutch – was busted this week, authorities said.
>Jamal McIlwain, 28, targeted the unsuspecting kid near the corner of St. Paul’s Place and St. Paul’s Court in Prospect Park South around 7:30 a.m. Nov. 17 – walloping him twice with the crutch and trying to hit him a third time, according to the NYPD and video they released.
>McIlwain was picked up Wednesday when a 911 caller reported a “disorderly male” in front of an unspecified high school, cops said.
>McIlwain spit on a responding officer, police said.
>Upon arrest, cops recognized him as the suspect in the crutch attack, authorities said.
>The fiend calmly walked off after the assault, ditching the crutch on the sidewalk as he headed north on St. Paul’s Place. >He had been heading to the Church Avenue B and Q train station at the time of the attack.
>“It’s weird how he ran across the street just to hit me,” the youngster, who was not identified, told WPIX Wednesday. “When he hit me, it took me a few seconds to process what was going on. I tried to block it with this arm and ran.”
>The boy suffered minor head injuries and was taken to a local urgent care in stable condition.
>“I’m feeling better than a few days ago when I got hit. The eye used to be swollen very much. I didn’t do anything to him, so how come he has a grudge against me?”
> I didn’t do anything to him, so how come he has a grudge against me?”
Complicated question.
Because he is a mentally ill drug addict, most probably with an arrest record the length of a CVS receipt, and we've never seen fit to make him do anything to get treatment or stop stealing or attacking people.
So, he enjoys the freedom to beat pre-teens with a crutch.
Maybe one day he will graduate to shoving women in front of the N train! Who knows. The world is Jamal McIlwain's oyster.
> an arrest record the length of a CVS receipt
> McIlwain has 23 prior arrests, sources said, including for attempted murder for an incident in which he fired a gun at someone.
Something something candy crush.
Literally.
How long do you guys figure it’ll take before Jamal McIlwain is back out on the street?
Probably already out
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Not at all. I’m a person of color myself. I am just disillusioned with violent people being allowed to run amok in our city because it’s politically expedient for elected officials — people who don’t walk the streets, don’t use the trains, and sometimes don’t even live here.
This time it was a minor injury to a kid walking to school, next time it might be pushing someone into the path of an oncoming train, or stabbing someone to death in their own apartment. I’m sick of it.
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Intentional use of first name
What is your point? There's photos of the alleged perp.
Yes, and the commenter above wanted to make sure we knew his name was Jamal.
We're on a first-name basis with just this one perp.
In his defense I can’t tell if the letters are II or ll
Last week’s thread and Last fortnight’s thread for those who missed out on anything newsworthy (YMMV), wanted to catch up on conversations, complaints/praises, and anything in between.
Happy Tuesday, and hopefully you all make great use of this thread for this week/thread. Enjoy your thanksgiving celebrations too!
EDIT: Owner found dogs. So normal procedure is 911 if attacking. 311 otherwise. If no 311 local shelters. ASPCA can't do pickup. Just had 2 dogs without collars wander up 311 and 78th doesn't answer anyone know who to call. 1 white 1 white with brown spots. Brooklyn area.
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https://abc7ny.com/homeless-man-shot-in-head-chelsea-nycha/12502751/
“Homeless man shot in head outside Chelsea NYCHA houses dies from injuries.
Police say the 44-year-old was shot in front of NYCHA's Fulton Houses on West 17th Street in Chelsea just after 9:30 p.m. Sunday.”
Registered sex offender charged with raping two women at NYC hotel
“A registered sex offender who did three years in state prison for sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl is now charged with raping two different women at a Bronx hotel.
Dashawn Williams — who was released on parole two years ago — was back behind bars on $100,000 bail after he was busted Saturday in two alleged assaults at the 7 Days Hotel in Castle Hill, authorities said.”
“In addition to that case, Williams has been arrested several times in the past, including for aggravated harassment and criminal obstruction of breathing, according to law enforcement sources.”
‘Disorderly’ suspect allegedly fights with NYPD officers, tossing one like ‘a rag doll’
“It looks like the cops are afraid to use any force, physical or otherwise, and it’s all compliments of the NYC Council,” said Joseph Giacalone, a retired NYPD sergeant and adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “I’ve seen a number of viral videos that show the same thing — NYPD cops trying to take a sole suspect into custody and can’t do it because of all the rules imposed against them.”
People complaining about 5 cops beating the shit out of a guy who's cuffed and surrendered.
You: CoPs ArE AfRaiD tO UsE FoRCe
Looking for the “WhY aRe ThErE sO mAnY cOpS fOr OnE pErSoN” crowd.
Wow, you can really see how much time the cops spend eating pizza in the car. Pretty pathetic and embarrassing.
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This thread is just depressing :(
Agree. Can we have a parallel "New Yorkers doing good deeds" thread to share stories of everyday kindness? Fear always makes a more grabby headline.
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Great idea to make a thread to contain the freaks
Yea the “freaks” who own the gay bar that was vandalized in Hells Kitchen are “freaks” for being concerned with crime.
Yeah, let's open up the topic of how LGBT NYers feel about policing and incarceration. I'm sure you'll get lots of Pat Lynch fans.
Progressives: hate police until they need them.
the police didn’t do shit until after this guy vandalized the bar three times. i thought cops were supposed to prevent crime in the first place?
The suspect was previously arrested menacing somebody with a knife. If he was not held after threatening somebody with knife, nothing going to happen with him breaking a couple of windows.
When he inevitably gets arrested once again you will once again be asking “why didn’t police stop this repeat offender who been arrested numerous times from committing another crime”.
You’re right. Why aren’t Queer people more grateful to the NYPD for kicking off the modern gay rights movement? /s
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/nyregion/stonewall-riots-nypd.html
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/03/963513022/new-york-repeals-walking-while-trans-law
^^^ this user is also making transphobic comments in /r/AskConservatives if you want to know what they’re up to when they’re not here
The gay bar owners are posting in this thread? I haven’t seen them here.
They reported the crime, and released video footage and images of the attack to news outlets. Yea, I’d say that’s someone whos concerned, or else they would have just fixed the window and brought no attention to it.
> Please keep discussions civil.
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Man Dies After Beating by Swarm of ATV and Dirt Bike Riders
> Arthur Cooke died two weeks after the attack from injuries to his neck and spine. The city has been fighting a yearslong battle against the noisy vehicles and their riders.