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mandix t1_iwvde9j wrote

Reply to comment by itiswhatitis4444 in NYC councilman urges LGBTQ community to stay vigilant after deaths of 2 gay men in Hell's Kitchen by ShinyGodzilla

Multiple factors...

These events happened a long time ago IIRC for some reason they are just reaching the media so the data/surveillance may be difficult to find.

You need to subpeona these companies and it could take a while to get the data... once you get the data it might not be that useful. Venmo has very loose KYC rules compared to a real bank. Venmo is just really a big money laundering tool IMO.

Society wise gay men are not as high on the totem pole as a pretty white ladies stories... so stories like this don't really gain traction because society doesn't care... remember how those divers and people who had nothing to do with the missing youtube lady did everything they could to find them... the invisible powers at be don't care... It's sad truth when on fringe of the society... so many trans people are murdered every month.

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itiswhatitis4444 t1_iwve52u wrote

No I think Venmo is tied to bank accounts if that’s what they did. These cases aren’t that old I believe all within the year.

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Simple-Rule-7665 t1_iwypxtf wrote

Julio Ramirez died on April 21st, 2022. John Umberger died on May 28, 2022.

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whateverisok t1_iww37mb wrote

Venmo is not a money laundering tool unless you're dealing with laundering super low $$,$$$ per month.

Everything has to be linked to a bank account, which is completely verified and has all your info, they have checks on the amount that you can send per day, per person, and per timeframe (say a week or month) and don't support multiple accounts on the same device (so you'd have to log in and out of multiple accounts on the same device, which is time intensive and likely to trigger a flag in their system saying the device used 7 different Venmo accounts to send/receive money).

The banks also have their safeguards in place, so you can't just deposit $,$$$ from several Venmo accounts to the same bank account.

And you can't send the crypto you purchase on Venmo (through your Venmo wallet/deposit from bank account) to anyone.

Keep in mind, Venmo is US-based and owned by PayPal (US-based), which is a publicly traded company and subject to all the audits/lawsuits/protections there are

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elizabeth-cooper t1_iwvk6zm wrote

> These events happened a long time ago IIRC for some reason they are just reaching the media so the data/surveillance may be difficult to find.

No, they aren't. They were writing about Julio Ramirez quite a while back. The cops are not just finding out about his murder now. The last I'd heard they were waiting for the full autopsy results.

>You need to subpeona these companies and it could take a while to get the data... once you get the data it might not be that useful. Venmo has very loose KYC rules compared to a real bank. Venmo is just really a big money laundering tool IMO.

This is much more likely. Crooks aren't stupid. Stolen credit cards, stolen identities, offshore companies - cops end up with nothing useful.

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