c3p-bro t1_ixqyrur wrote
Reply to comment by drpvn in What to Know Now That the N.Y.P.D. Is on Amazon’s Neighborhood Watch App by k1lk1
You know how leftists think right wingers believe that “if we stop talking about racism, it won’t exist anymore”?
Leftists feel that way about crime. Just ignore it long enough and it disappears
BobanTheGiant t1_ixrbpl1 wrote
You know that Fox News has reported on the issue of crime in America 50% less since the election? If crime was so so so bad, as you say, why then is Fox suddenly indifferent to it?
Dantheking94 t1_ixs429y wrote
Yeh because NY POST picked up the slack and focuses all of that crime information on NYC
JuliaMac65 t1_ixtw5qr wrote
NY Post is owned by Fox News.
karmapuhlease t1_ixslbla wrote
What's your source on that? Is there some metric by which it can be measured that FNC no longer covers crime? Or do you personally claim to watch enough of that channel to be sure of your own evaluation?
BobanTheGiant t1_ixsmbfb wrote
Hmm, if only there were people out there tabulating this and then sharing the results.
karmapuhlease t1_ixssa64 wrote
Are there? Does someone track the number of minutes each news topic or policy issue is mentioned by Fox News 24/7?
c3p-bro t1_ixrc2uz wrote
Never said crime was “so so so bad” and think Fox News is full of shit so get out of here with that strawman putting words in my mouth bullshit. But crime exists and we do need a police force to deal with. Abolishing the police won’t magically fix crime, just like banning CRT wont fix racism.
ZinnRider t1_ixrtg8h wrote
Problem is that almost the totality of police work does not prevent crime. They mostly react to crime.
And their responses are often the worst possible ones.
If you’re really seriously about reducing crime you have to grapple with poverty, communities without access to youth programs, exorbitant rents and cost of living, etc.
More cops is definitely not the answer. They’ve showed us over and over and over again what they’re about. Excessive violence, abuse of authority, immunity from “rule of law” and frankly, yes - being asked to respond to too much, makes them the wrong answer.
ripstep1 t1_ixvgz9s wrote
Lmao the threat of punishment absolutely deters criminal activity. If police didn’t exist you bet your ass I’d be stealing on a regular basis.
c3p-bro t1_ixrvwpz wrote
I agree for certain types of theft, vandalism, etc., that sort of crime. The second you start putting innocent peoples lives at risk you lose me.
Generational programs may reduce future crime but we still need protection from the violent criminals of today.
utamog t1_ixxc8qn wrote
The fact that this is downvoted is honestly so fucked
Gosia212 t1_ixtzkce wrote
Because you will never see it on tv when things go right.
drpvn t1_ixs1nvs wrote
We don’t need more police in NYC—we have a lot of officers—but we also don’t need many fewer.
“Police do not prevent crime” is midwit copypasta. Really dumb, really wrong, and contrary to both common sense and decades of research. But there are some people who will never stop cutting and pasting it.
Koboldsftw t1_ixsjab1 wrote
All the research I have seen directly contradicts what you claim the research shows.
drpvn t1_ixsldf1 wrote
I highly doubt that.
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drpvn t1_ixw5vpg wrote
I don’t have anything from an advocacy group comparable to Vera, but here are a handful of research papers from academic journals. You need to understand that the idea that policing has no effect on crime is a fringe activist view that has been mainstreamed by dimwits copy-pasting on social media.
Aziai, Alberto. 2022. “What happens when the police go on strike? Analysing how a marked reduction in policing impacts upon homicides in Ceará, Brazil.” Global Crime, DOI: 10.1080/17440572.2022.2098121 (The [police] strike led to a statistically significant increase in homicides ranging between 110% and 250%…. Even in a violent context, the perception of a higher risk of apprehension induced by police presence acts as a powerful deterrent against homicides.)
Blesse, Sebastian and André Diegmann. 2022. “The place-based effects of police stations on crime: Evidence from station closures.” Journal of Public Economics. Vol. 207. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpubeco.2022.104605 (Many countries consolidate their police forces by closing down local police stations. Police stations represent an important and visible aspect of the organization of police forces. We provide novel evidence on the effect of centralizing police offices through the closure of local police stations on crime outcomes. Combining matching with a difference-in-differences specification, we find an increase in reported car theft and burglary in residential properties. Our results are consistent with a negative shift in perceived detection risks and are driven by heterogeneous station characteristics. We can rule out alternative explanations such as incapacitation, crime displacement, and changes in police employment or strategies at the regional level. We argue that criminals are less deterred due to a lower visibility of the local police.)
Braga, Anthony. 2017. “Editorial introduction. Impact of Police on CJ Reform. Arrests, Harm Reduction, and Police Crime Prevention Policy.” Criminology & Public Policy. Vol. 16(2): 369-373. (Communities expect the police to control violence. Ineffective strategies will undoubtedly undermine police legitimacy. Effective police crime prevention efforts are characterized by changing the perceptions of potential offenders of apprehension risk and by modifying criminal opportunities (Nagin, Solow, and Lum, 2015). Although arrests are inevitable, police should be oriented toward preventing crimes from happening in the first place.)
Braga A., Kennedy D., Pielh A and Waring E. 2001. “Measuring the Impact of Operation Ceasefire in Reducing Gun Violence: The Boston gun project’s operation ceasefire.” NIJ. (The time series shows a 63-percent reduction in the mean monthly number of youth homicide victims from a pretest mean of 3.5 youth homicides per month to a post test mean of 1.3 youth homicides per month. Analyses suggest that the Ceasefire intervention was associated with statistically significant reductions in all time series., including: A 63-percent decrease in the monthly number of youth homicides in Boston. A 32-percent decrease in the monthly number of citywide shots-fired calls. A 25-percent decrease in the monthly number of citywide all-age gun assault incidents.)
Braga, Anthony A., Andrew V. Papachristos & David M. Hureau (2012). “The Effects of Hot Spots Policing on Crime: An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis.” Justice Quarterly. Vol. 31(4): 633-663. (Abstract: Our research suggests that hot spots policing generates small but noteworthy crime reductions, and these crime control benefits diffuse into areas immediately surrounding targeted crime hot spots. Our analyses find that problem-oriented policing interventions generate larger mean effect sizes when compared to interventions that simply increase levels of traditional police actions in crime hot spots. We also find that only a small number of studies examine the impacts of hot spots policing on police-community relations. The extant research on this topic, however, suggests that community members have positive reactions to these focused policing actions. [See also: Braga et al, 2018, “An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Empirical Evidence.”])
Braga A., Weisburd, D., Turchan, B. 2018. “An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Empirical Evidence.” Criminology & Public Policy. Volume 17. Issue 1. (The results of our meta-analysis demonstrate that focused deterrence strategies are associated with an overall statistically significant, moderate crime reduction effect.)
Braga, A. A., D. L. Weisburd, E. J. Waring, L. G. Mazerolle, W. Spelman, & F. Gajewski. “Problem-Oriented Policing in Violent Crime Places: A Randomized Controlled Experiment.” Justice Quarterly. Vol 31(4): 633-663. (Many researchers believe that crime problems can be reduced more efficiently if officers systematically focus their attention on crime “hot spots.” Previously, the value of focused problem-oriented policing efforts in controlling violence was not known. This randomized controlled experiment […] concluded that the Jersey City Police Department’s pilot problem-oriented policing program was successful at reducing crime and disorder at violent places, with little evidence of displacement.)
Braga, Anthony A., Brandon C. Welsh, and Cory Schnell. 2015. “Can policing disorder reduce crime? A systematic review and meta-analysis.” Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency. Vol. 52: 567–588. (Suggests that hot spots policing generates small but noteworthy crime reductions, and these crime control benefits diffuse into areas immediately surrounding targeted crime hot spots. Our analyses find that problem-oriented policing interventions generate larger mean effect sizes when compared to interventions that simply increase levels of traditional police actions in crime hot spots. [See also: Braga et al, 2018, “An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Empirical Evidence.”])
Chalfin, Aaron, Michael LaForest, and Jacob Kaplan. 2021. “Can Precision Policing Reduce Gun Violence? Evidence from ‘Gang Takedowns’ in New York City.” Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. Vol 40(4), pp. 1047-1082. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pam.22323 (During the last decade, while national homicide rates have remained flat, New York City has experienced a second great crime decline, with gun violence declining by more than 50 percent since 2011. In this paper, we investigate one potential explanation for this dramatic and unexpected improvement in public safety—the New York Police Department’s shift to a more surgical form of “precision policing,” in which law enforcement focuses resources on a small number of individuals who are thought to be the primary drivers of violence. We study New York City’s campaign of “gang takedowns” in which suspected members of criminal gangs were arrested in highly coordinated raids and prosecuted on conspiracy charges. We show that gun violence in and around public housing communities fell by approximately one third in the first year after a gang takedown. Our estimates imply that gang takedowns explain nearly one quarter of the decline in gun violence in New York City’s public housing communities over the last eight years.)
Chalfin and McCrary. 2012. “The Effect of Police on Crime: New Evidence from U.S. Cities, 1960-2010.” https://eml.berkeley.edu//~jmccrary/chalfin_mccrary2012.pdf
Cheng, Cheng, Wei Long, 2019. “Improving police services: Evidence from the French Quarter Task Force.” Journal of Public Economics, Vol. 164, pp. 1-18, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpubeco.2018.05.002. (This study sheds light on the improvement of police services by examining the French Quarter Task Force (FQTF) – an anti-crime program in New Orleans’ French Quarter. First, we provide new evidence that increasing police presence is effective in crime prevention. Our difference-in-differences estimates suggest that the FQTF, which increased police visibility in the French Quarter, reduced robberies, aggravated assaults, and thefts by 37.4%, 16.9%, and 13%, respectively. Second, our findings imply that the proper use of monitoring and incentive strategies has the potential to further improve police services. Exploiting the program’s change in management, we find that providing officers with more monitoring and performance incentives led the FQTF to reduce robberies by 22.12 and aggravated assaults by 5.56 each quarter.)
utamog t1_ixxc24c wrote
This should be stickied somewhere
Koboldsftw t1_ixwzdmw wrote
What criteria are you using to identify these studies as respectable and the sources cited by Vera as not respectable
drpvn t1_ixx0iwq wrote
Sigh.
Edit: lol, you blocked me.
Koboldsftw t1_ixx1081 wrote
Answer the question
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drpvn t1_ixw611v wrote
There is a mountain of additional research. This is not controversial among non-activists.
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Makeyoownmoney t1_ixujgth wrote
Take that biased, left-wing, Soros funded BS and shove it. Chicago? Better than NY, but the outskirts and its mayor are rubbish. The Russian paper selling dude with a radio station that tried to get everyone out of Rikers more quickly in the 60's. He died in 1971. The original message is long gone. Chicago beats NYC by having more rats. The human type too.
Koboldsftw t1_ixuk3y7 wrote
What
Makeyoownmoney t1_ixukdg2 wrote
Exactly. Thank you.
Koboldsftw t1_ixuo4b4 wrote
Instead of spewing weird nonsense why don’t you provide a source
LibertyNachos t1_ixut1qw wrote
we need officers to actually do their jobs instead of playing candy crush and refusing to answer calls because their feelings were hurt by some politician. if they were actual heroes they wouldn’t be so influenced by a corrupt union leader.
ripstep1 t1_ixvh2y2 wrote
Why police communities that hate them?
LibertyNachos t1_ixvj28r wrote
because they’re being paid to to do their jobs. that’s what a job is. if you want to protest doing your job, then quit instead of draining taxpayer resources.
ripstep1 t1_ixw4jjb wrote
Silent quitting seems to be supported by the work reform subreddit
LibertyNachos t1_iy1exm6 wrote
when it comes to essential services such as firefighting and law enforcement silent quitting is not acceptable for the public good, especially as well paid as these professionals are. no one dies if a teacher calls out sick.
ripstep1 t1_iy3o1ip wrote
Seems unfair. Why do teachers get more workers rights in that respect than “essential workers “. Seems to me like you are playing rules for thee but not for me.
LibertyNachos t1_iy3o5ar wrote
I’m not a teacher.
ripstep1 t1_iy5mjsf wrote
I never said you were. I don’t see why teachers can silent quit but nurses cannot.
LibertyNachos t1_iy5q0v7 wrote
Honestly, I don’t believe most teachers and nurses would do the same kind of silent quitting the NYPD is notorious for. they seem to employ people of better morals who don’t put their paycheck above the public good.
BiblioPhil t1_ixw0bao wrote
The communities hate them for a good reason. Like the fact that those communities pay them six-figure pensions and they still won't do their job unless they have carte blanche to crack skulls with no repercussions.
ripstep1 t1_ixw4bhn wrote
Then they won’t police them lmao. Same thing would happen if communities hated doctors
drpvn t1_ixw87kr wrote
The communities actually don’t hate the police.
BiblioPhil t1_ixx92j0 wrote
Distrustful is a better term. And decidedly not aligned with conservatives on policies concerning police. Wanting more police presence isn't a mandate for stop and frisk and doesn't mean they don't support measures to increase police accountability.
Grass8989 t1_ixwblaf wrote
The communities don’t hate the police, or else they wouldn’t have voted for Eric Adams, a cop, in the Democratic Mayoral primary.
BiblioPhil t1_ixwr96q wrote
If those people wanted "tough on crime" candidates who promised to use scorched-earth police tactics to "clean up" the streets, they had plenty of Republican candidates they could have supported.
Adams might seem pro-police compared to the progressive Dem field, but on a national level he absolutely wasn't close. He wasn't even supported by the PBA, which regarded him as a police critic and thorn in their side.
In any GOP primary he would have instantly been branded "soft on crime." Reddit's perspective is so skewed on this topic.
Grass8989 t1_ixwrvp9 wrote
He literally ran on a “tougher on crime” platform. That was a major part of his message and campaign, so much so that most on this sub labels him a Republican.
BiblioPhil t1_ixx8wb7 wrote
It's like you missed my entire point about "tough on crime" being relative.
And you're literally using this sub's views of Eric Adams to rebut my point about why this sub is wrong about Eric Adams.
longknives t1_ixut9se wrote
“Police do not prevent crime” is factual and not contrary to research or common sense. When was the last time you experienced cops preventing a crime? The only thing it’s contrary to is the vague idea people have that cops are probably out there preventing some crimes that are probably happening somewhere.
drpvn t1_ixw7jto wrote
People have been researching this for 50 years. The copypasta you see in your instagram and Twitter feeds is not research.
ripstep1 t1_ixvh8rx wrote
It prevents crime all the time. Many people choose not to shoplift because of the threat of consequences. I would be commiting WAY more crimes if the police disappeared. Etc.
drpvn t1_ixw7l6w wrote
These people are just brain dead.
Lucid108 t1_ixrb9gp wrote
Less that and "put the resources into solving crime at the root, as opposed to giving everything to cops and expecting things will be any different."
drpvn t1_ixrbx7n wrote
NYC spends a lot on police, but I don’t think 10% is the budget is unreasonable, and it’s certainly not “everything.”
Lucid108 t1_ixredgz wrote
Given how many other necessary public services are gutted as cops get near-constant increases to their budget, it seems to me that we are not allocating the resources into preventing crime, so much as creating it via societal negligence and then throwing cops at the problem.
drpvn t1_ixrepa9 wrote
If you want to see near-constant increases, look at the education budget. It is almost 40% of the entire budget.
Lucid108 t1_ixrhltt wrote
Education is among the most consistently underfunded social services. Teachers are certainly not nearly as well-paid/well-compensated as cops and they serve a variety of critically necessary roles.
drpvn t1_ixrhqjw wrote
The education budget is $38 billion this year. It’s not underfunded.
Koboldsftw t1_ixsjeog wrote
What part of the city budget do you think we should use to fund schools instead?
drpvn t1_ixslalb wrote
There’s no magic number but there is no way that ~$35 billion is “underfunding.” People talk about it as if it’s draconian austerity. That’s ridiculous.
Koboldsftw t1_ixsll3e wrote
Do you know how many students there are in New York City? It’s like super easy for $35 billion to be underfunding.
drpvn t1_ixt82cz wrote
Yes, approximately a million if you include charter school students (which you should because charter school costs are included). So that’s approximately $35,000 per student. If that’s under-funding, I’d like to know how much is enough. $100,000 per student?
c3p-bro t1_ixrbuk2 wrote
Remind me the profession of the guy who got beat to death
Lucid108 t1_ixrdelo wrote
That has nothing to do with getting to the root of the problem of crime. You don't deal with a weed by chopping up the leaves, you deal with it by the root. Same thing with criminality. Cops get billions of dollars of taxpayer money every year, with the budget ballooning for them all the time, while other necessary services which would prevent crime entirely are severely underfunded, at best (bc as it turns out most people don't do crime for fun, but out of desperation).
It's a tragedy when people are killed, but adding more cops does not solve the underlying problems even a little and worthwhile to stop pretending otherwise.
drpvn t1_ixre1y7 wrote
It’s a sad thing but some people are effectively bad down to their roots.
Lucid108 t1_ixrjzhx wrote
Respectfully, I think that essentializing people to "bad down to their roots" a cop-out to avoid having to ask the questions that it would take to legitimately address questions concerning justice and the treatment of criminals in general (even down to the non-violent offenders bc lets be honest when ppl think criminal, they think the "bad to the root" kind of person).
Like, I'm not about to say that people aren't capable of brutal and heinous things, given the wrong situation, I'm sure everyone can be. That said, basing foundational building blocks of our society on just punishing the worst people we can think of leaves the imagination blank for providing help for victims and, again, just preventing these tragedies from occurring in the first place. When all you have is a hammer (cops and prisons) every problem looks like a nail (criminal).
drpvn t1_ixrlmz5 wrote
Cops and prisons are not all we have and have never been all we have.
Thinking you’re going to eradicate crime by any means—whether by aggressive policing or by “addressing root causes”—is as foolish as thinking you’re going to eradicate any social problem. There has always been crime and there will always be crime. We have to manage it as best we can by using all society’s tools, which include policing, to strike the best balance we can.
thisisntmineIfoundit t1_ixrfjux wrote
Has it occurred to you that when a young man or woman are being encouraged to contribute to a crime (shoplifting / raiding a store) or joining a gang, you know, before they have ever committed a crime aka the "root", if the message is "you will be caught and go to jail" and not "people don't care, won't report the crime, and the cops won't arrest you and the judge won't prosecute" that mayyyyybe that could be, oh I don't know, discouraging people to ever get into that kind of crowd???
Or are you one of those insisting folks raiding Rite Aid need bread for their family?
Lucid108 t1_ixrhbgp wrote
>Has it occurred to you that when a young man or woman are being encouraged to contribute to a crime (shoplifting / raiding a store) or joining a gang, you know, before they have ever committed a crime aka the "root", if the message is "you will be caught and go to jail" and not "people don't care, won't report the crime, and the cops won't arrest you and the judge won't prosecute" that mayyyyybe that could be, oh I don't know, discouraging people to ever get into that kind of crowd???
This looks to me like a very good example of circular logic. This isn't hard. If people are committing crimes, it's literally scientifically supported, that they do so due to lack of resources/legitimate avenues to meet their needs. Take care of people's most basic needs and you'd see a huge reduction in crime, abuse victims could leave abusers safely, etc. etc. Just having the looming threat of prison hasn't solved crime in the several hundred years we've been doing it, what makes you think it'll magically work with a few extra billion dollars?
drpvn t1_ixrmpv6 wrote
TIL that “it’s literally scientifically supported” that rapists rape “due to lack of resources/legitimate avenues to meet their needs.”
Lucid108 t1_ixrpdam wrote
Your glibness aside, rape is absolutely about power and is usually perpetrated against people who do not have the necessary support structures to leave the situation. Speaking of which, you ever look up the stats on how many sex crimes cops have solved and how often people who go to them for protection against these sorts of things are dismissed by the people who are supposedly there to protect and serve? How 'bout that 40% statistic about cops, since we're on the subject?
drpvn t1_ixrr27g wrote
Trying to give women support structures to help them leave violent relationships is good but it will not eradicate rape.
No I haven’t looked into the “40%” thing. I do know it’s copypasta so I assume there are massive caveats that need to be added to it.
NashvilleHot t1_ixsi6ju wrote
You just posted up thread about striking a balance as best we can. And here you’re saying it’s good but not worth doing because it won’t eradicate rape. 🤷♂️
drpvn t1_ixsljet wrote
You’re misreading me. I’m saying nothing can eradicate crime. That’s why we need policing. To deal with, you know, rapists, for example.
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utamog t1_ixxct7d wrote
Crime apologists like you are literally what made me switch to being a republicans (Still voted Adams however). I believe in body autonomy, and separation of church and state but this violence apologist shit is by far the most deranged danger to society I can think of.
Lucid108 t1_iy5suqb wrote
If you're gonna make an example out of me, at least try to understand my point.
thisisntmineIfoundit t1_ixroww9 wrote
>Take care of people's most basic needs and you'd see a huge reduction in crime
This looks to me like a very good example of logic from someone who does not live in the real world.
We have a huge safety net and it's getting bigger. It would take too long to explain how bloated and unaudited our social benefit systems are and list the examples of people who don't need it receiving help and sitting on their ass. Not to mention in cities like SF where you are definitely fully taken care of if you're in bad shape, crime is worse than ever.
What's really funny about this is you claim cracking down on crime doesn't change things at all when NYC is the way it is today versus 10/20/30 years ago because of drastically different policies from different administrations having an effect.
Lucid108 t1_ixrq4lj wrote
Yeah, not like there are systemic barriers to a lot of the aid people need or anything
longknives t1_ixutqlj wrote
Absolute LOL that you think we have a remotely adequate safety net. Talk about not living in the real world.
c3p-bro t1_ixrjpt9 wrote
Yea that’s a lot of words to avoid answering a question with a one word response. What was his profession?
Lucid108 t1_ixrkcnf wrote
What does his profession have to do specifically with my original post?
c3p-bro t1_ixrne1f wrote
I’d ask why you’re avoiding the question but I already know the answer
Lucid108 t1_ixrppmm wrote
Right back at ya
c3p-bro t1_ixrq6jx wrote
He was a social worker that was supposed to replace the police once they are abolished. It’s extremely relevant to your original comment since that’s the future you want. See? Two can play the strawman game.
Lucid108 t1_ixrre0b wrote
So the fact that this occurred the way that it did is meant to invalidate the idea that police need to be defunded and other programs need the resources to combat the social problems that lead to violent outcomes?
c3p-bro t1_ixrslb0 wrote
Yes I think the fact that the social workers meant to replace the defunded police are being beat to death in street somewhat invalidates the argument.
You’re not riding around on expensive toys beating people who cross you to death out of desperation or poverty. You’re doing it because you’re garbage who has no place in society.
Defunding the police does not fix these types - they are beyond help. If you think otherwise we fundamentally disagree on this.
I just hope you never find yourself in the same situation he did.
user_joined_just_now t1_ixrmdl4 wrote
> most people don't do crime for fun, but out of desperation
When you beat a guy to death with 30 of your friends while riding ATVs that cost thousands of dollars "out of desperation". Progressive moment.
The vast majority of poor people manage to get by without committing violent crimes.
Let us suppose that as part of an inquiry into the needs of NYC's most desperate, the city sent out a few hundred people with credit cards to walk around with at night as robbery bait. Where do you think these credit cards would be swiped after being taken? Do you genuinely think that most of them would be used to buy groceries and pay rent?
raifikii t1_ixrewkb wrote
I’d rather they solve the crime now then get to the root. I’m not holding my breath for City, local, or federal government to make effective changes at the grassroots level whose benefits we may not see for a generation+ in the future. If we can do a better job at stopping crime and violence now, why wouldn’t we? These two strategies aren’t mutually exclusive.
Lucid108 t1_ixrifpg wrote
I'd argue that the two are mutually exclusive bc cops are fiercely protective of the power that they have (ex. The time the police went on strike bc greater oversight was on the table) and a lot of what it would take to prevent crime would mean, at the very least, a large-scale reallocation of resources from police to a variety of other needed public services (like housing, mental health, education/extra cirricular activities for kids). At least, if the goal is prevention of crime and rehabilitation after the fact, as opposed to just outright punishment, which the cops are quite well-equipped to do
NashvilleHot t1_ixsicwt wrote
Might want to take a look at crime clearance rates. Not holding my breath on cops solving crimes now either.
user_joined_just_now t1_ixrvbdn wrote
Those 30 individuals beat that guy to death because of socioeconomic factors. What we need to do is address those factors by increasing their access to employment, education, housing, and public pools. Maybe throw in a blowie or two. Effectively tackling crime requires addressing its root causes, not simply taking a punitive approach that continues to perpetuate both mass incarceration and the cycle of crime.
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utamog t1_ixxbvfi wrote
Based as all fuck my man
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