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SheepherderFew3844 t1_iumkc6v wrote

Reply to comment by RolandDeepson in Employers that have four or more employees in NYC are legally required to share salary ranges for job listings. by [deleted]

Tell me why this is necessary

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RolandDeepson t1_iumme8v wrote

So if YOU see no need for employers to transparently disclose their base salary ranges, that means that there is no need for anyone to do so. And any attempt to do something so "insane and absurd" as "require recruiters and employers to disclose hard-figures of their expected salary ranges" means that it's a "fuckin ridiculous" thing to do.

Boy, I sure wish every naysayer were open books like you! Have a nice day, man, and please, pay yourself on the back for your solid civic engagement. The world needs more patient and conscientious people like you!

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SheepherderFew3844 t1_iummop7 wrote

Pure genius. Again what’s the point? Why was not disclosing salary sooo egregious that the esteemed and super respected city council made this a law?

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Fine-Will t1_iumscuy wrote

A job is an exchange for time/skill/services for money. Would it make sense if I was looking to buy/sell something online and there isn't even a price on the listing page? Even for things where there isn't a price right on the listing you can easily find out a range if you contact the person.

Why waste everyone's time with job listings without a range and make people go through multiple rounds of interviews just to discover the pay is so low they would have never bothered applying in the first place if they knew?

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SheepherderFew3844 t1_iumsnep wrote

You find out when you interview. And I doubt someone goes on interview and has absolutely no knowledge of the salary for the position. It’s completely unnecessary and doesn’t the council have bigger fish to fry?

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RolandDeepson t1_iumor8b wrote

>Pure genius. Again what’s the point? Why was not disclosing salary sooo egregious that the esteemed and super respected city council made this a law?

You've asked what's known as "a loaded question." A common example of a loaded question is, "when did you decide to stop violently assaulting your neighbors." The question is loaded because any question-conforming answer (in this case, a date or a time period) necessarily reinforces the implication that the person asked actually is, or was at one time, a violent person. Any response to the loaded question that attempts to address the fallacy or refute the accusation is then vulnerable to other rhetorical shenanigans such as accusations of "derailing" or "changing the subject" or "avoiding the question."

An unloaded question might be something like, "Have you ever been a particularly violent person," and then proceeding from there with follow ups.

You think it's ok for employers to either keep their hiring salaries secrets entirely, or possibly for employers to cherrypick on the fly as they decide what each individual applicant "deserves to hear" about salaries for positions being applied for.

See how easy that was? I asked you to clarify and elaborate on your point, and seemingly without even realizing it, you decided to do EXACTLY THAT. You're a very good conversationalist, u/sheepherderfew3844!! Now, everyone else reading this thread has a VERY DETAILED AND CLEAR understanding of what to expect from you, both as a human being, and as a member of society!

Well done!

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SheepherderFew3844 t1_iumt6kn wrote

You must be responding ftom Mensa headquarters!! A 4 paragraph post stating nothing regarding your answe letter to the question. If you go on a job interview you know what salary you want and deserve for your experience and skill level. My point is the city council has much more pressing issues that making this a law. Who was harmed so terribly that someone said we can never have this happen again. It must be stamped out. It’s a completely unnecessary law issued by people who have zero concept how the private sector works.

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schkra t1_iuo5q0d wrote

to answer your question: this is important because it gives transparency to employees to see if their pay is reasonable, and it gives them data to negotiate for fairer wages. transparency is good for workers. additionally, it lets you sift through jobs to understand if it’s worth your time to apply. i’ve gone through multiple interviews before where the employer asks comp expectations at the end. if i’m asking for 1.5x what the position pays, seeing salary upfront shows me i shouldn’t bother. for employers, it also saves time on wasted interviews for candidates who never would’ve said yes anyway. for small companies it might be unpleasant, but if comp is small you can compensate in other ways that don’t need to be published such as equity or profit sharing. i fail to see how this is a dumb law for a state like new york where top talent goes.

edit - typo

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