Submitted by Due_Masterpiece_3601 t3_y1nziq in nyc
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Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_irygpe4 wrote
The stats say otherwise, but I can dig the optimism.
mrslouchypants t1_iryhca5 wrote
Why would a rise in immigration cause a rise in crime?
Rottimer t1_iryhhwr wrote
No, the stats don’t say otherwise. The statement was “I think crime is nearly nonexistent in the average person’s daily life. . . “
The stats show crime is increasing. But, they don’t show that they’re a part of the average person’s daily life. I’m guessing that will be somewhat influenced by the neighborhood you live in.
Edit: fat fingered grammar
Euphoric-Program t1_iryhpq5 wrote
White transplants are clueless until a bum throws shit in their face. Even then they probably want restorative justice
For the minorities and elderly, they face higher risk in this current climate
Euphoric-Program t1_iryhsc9 wrote
https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/nyc-subway-murders-jump-to-highest-levels-in-25-years-data/
Maybe the chart will make people see how out of control the city is heading….
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_iryhsyz wrote
They are people with needs and have no money. This experiment was already done in my country which received asylum seekers and had to see crime go up. Here is an article of what I'm talking about but it's in Spanish. You should be able to Google translate it. Edit: I guess we're downvoting facts and statistics then.
chili_cheese_dogg t1_iryi6j1 wrote
Come on man, Nobody takes that rag seriously.
YouWillGetCrimed t1_iryi83p wrote
Move back to Venezuela before you get CRIMED
YouWillGetCrimed t1_iryika4 wrote
Murders are skyrocketing! There were 8 last year and this year we've already had 7!
Euphoric-Program t1_iryisjw wrote
On the subway. Previous years are no more than 2. But okay let’s wait till we hit double digits to do anything
CaptainObvious t1_iryjvfb wrote
fuckyouimin t1_iryk4wd wrote
80's/90's is a weird parameter.
In the 70's and 80's crime was hitting an all-time high, but then Giuliani and Bratton came in in the 90's. They sold midtown to Disney and turned the city into a police state. (Outlawed dancing in bars, outlawed street vendors, started the horrificly abusive practices of "broken window policing" and "stop and frisk", set up pens and barricades for all parades, and generally ruined this city.)
I get that crime is getting worse. But I just want to remind everyone that another Giuliani and more policing is NOT the answer here.
drpvn t1_iryl9dy wrote
The average person certainly isn’t a daily victim of crime but the average person in NYC probably sees some kind of crime several times weekly, if not daily.
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_irymgo2 wrote
I think Giuliani paved the way for some of the prosperity some folks have had in NY. Lets not forget that times Square was no man's land before he got there. I'm not saying everything he did was great, but I agreed with some of the changes he made.
Repulsive_Ad_9240 t1_irynau4 wrote
Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than non-immigrants. Crime rates have nothing to do with immigration numbers. But the assumption that there is a relationship has a lot to do with racism.
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_iryngqk wrote
I'm a minority. And in a separate comment I provided backup as to why this experiment was done in another country and failed.
virtual_adam t1_irynr04 wrote
First of all, tax income is at an all time high
That little thing about high rents pretty much contradicts everything else you’ve said. When things really do get bad, when people feel unsafe, they don’t outbid each other and line up in front of open houses to pay some loser agent a 15% fee
This city is packed more than ever with rich assholes making 40x $4000, $5000, $6000. They wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t the best city in the world
fuckyouimin t1_iryodtb wrote
I'm sure many people prospered... but at what price.
And sorry, but I'll take the hookers and fortunetellers and drug dealers and fake ID shops and mom and pop stores ("no man's land" as you called it) over the Disneyfied bullshit we have now.
If i wanted to live in Florida I would have moved there. This is NYC.
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_iryohjn wrote
Mmm rents are residential and commercial is a different story. The tax revenue is high at the moment, but I'm wondering about the future of commercial once leases are up. It seems to me the decline won't be immediate, but gradual as commercial tenants drop out of lease renewals. As far as residential goes, I am kind of with you on that one.
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_iryop52 wrote
If this is about times Square, my opinion is who cares. It brings in tourism and made the streets safer. Nyers have other places to hang out in anyway.
Isawthebeets t1_iryp0lv wrote
This idea that the city was the horrible murder capital until Giuliani became mayor is such a farce that Eric Adams wouldn't even be able to sell it as swag. Crime in the U.S cities had already been on a downward spiral before 1994.
mathtech t1_irypjt3 wrote
- Homeless population will continue to grow
- NYC population will reach 9 million by 2040
- Housing costs will continue to increase but at a slower rate. With sporadic declines during economic downturns. (I.e. pandemics, recession)
- NYC crime rate will continue to rank low relative to other US cities.
- Longterm Crime rates will continue to decline over a 10 y period. Never reaching 90s level crime. As Millennials and Gen Zs age out of prime years the next generations will be less prone to crime due to improved education, and resources. This has been the trend since baby boomers aging out we've seen crime continue to plummet in the grand scheme.
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_iryrzz7 wrote
The crime seemed to drop right at the same time as stop and frisk. I wouldn't say it was a murder capital, but changes needed to be made and the city flourished.
chili_cheese_dogg t1_irysie9 wrote
Unfortunately, this is what happens in every community during an economic downfall. I'll wager a 100% percent that you wouldn't care if you knew it was black on black or homeless on homeless murders.
chili_cheese_dogg t1_irytree wrote
The future of the city? What the actual fuck are you saying? That's some 100% Fox News narrative bullshit. Nobody and no one is stealing our Cities and States. Turn your TV off Fox News.
Euphoric-Program t1_irytscu wrote
There was no economic downfall. The government spent trillions, Americans spent record trillions which is why we have record inflation. We are not near an economic downfall, yet it’s coming though.
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drpvn t1_iryvw6e wrote
I live in midtown.
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Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_irywmcw wrote
I don't watch fox and I'm a native here. Anything else?
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chili_cheese_dogg t1_iryxo27 wrote
Oh that's fucking rich! What NYC native Indian tribe are you from?
Was it the Delaware or Lenni Lenape. Erie. Iroquois. Mahican. Mohegan. Montauk. etc... hundreds more?
You are a NYC and an American embarrassment.
Isawthebeets t1_irz1844 wrote
Giuliani became mayor in 1994. Crime "seemed" versus actual data might be a bit more accurate don't you think? I honestly can sit here for the next three hours to show the data.
lemmelawyou t1_irz374u wrote
Funding housing, healthcare, and education should be the priorities. Redistribution of resources would bring down high crime rates that are symptomatic of poverty, racism, and mental illness.
As a community, we should be concerned about building better safer environment for all - not just spending millions on expanding the prison industrial complex (policing and prisons) to lock away... only to permanently stigmatize them (making it impossible to get access to jobs or housing) which leads to high recidivism rates. The reality is that the carceral system is not doing anything to address root harms, but rather reinforcing them (racism, poverty, houselessness, mental illness, lack of access to affordable healthcare and education).... And yet, while the State and media outlets continue to profit from the incarceration of people, we will only continue to see crime.
drpvn t1_irz69qq wrote
No they do
chili_cheese_dogg t1_irzdlwc wrote
You are a twat. Have you not seen the videos on this sub of people committing violent crimes? My guess is that immigrants are more grateful to be here and don't commit crimes.
Immigrant's would be better neighbors than you.
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_is09bt8 wrote
And which native tribe are you from? The difference is my people came on their own will and with professional careers, legally and not asking for government help. The same cannot be said of the people arriving today.
Due_Masterpiece_3601 OP t1_is09qem wrote
"My guess"
Yes they were so grateful to be in Chile and other countries that they formed gangs to kill and rob people.
Isawthebeets t1_is0o6fv wrote
Yes! Countrywide crime was decreasing at the time as I stated.
Toilethyme t1_irygivv wrote
I think crime is nearly nonexistent in the average person’s daily life and the future has never looked brighter for the city.