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carolyn_mae t1_it0div4 wrote

Has everyone collectively lost their minds since COVID? I never remember hearing about these fights that lead to killings when there were millions of more people on the train (and therefore more people to run into and annoy).

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SoulfulYam t1_it1wzhl wrote

People have been acting like children throwing temper tantrums ever since COVID. I've lost all my patience for people exhibiting this behavior.

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v_for__vegeta t1_it369i2 wrote

And that’s just COVID, not to undermine or reduce its severity. But could you imagine the fucking all out chaos in case something truly lethal hits.

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SoulfulYam t1_it3aymh wrote

That would literally be a historically disaster. I don't think it's any hyperbole to say that people's mental health right now is quite possibly the worst it has ever been, especially for young people (myself included). I'm really scared what the future will hold when so many of our brains are just straight fucked.

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CaptAshley t1_it0r2ps wrote

Sadly these awful occurrences have always been a part of NYC.

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carolyn_mae t1_it0ru5n wrote

Idk man. Prior to Covid, it took 25 years to reach the number of people killed in the subway. We hit a new record in just 2 and a half

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CaptAshley t1_it0sv8y wrote

Oh agreed. I’m not debating the numbers and know majority of the fault lie with the NYPD engaging in a ”soft strike” since the George Floyd protests. Followed by the loss and lack of support systems for people forced out of the economic rat race.
I was just lamenting how crime has always been with us. Folks haven’t lost their minds, law enforcement and politicians have stopped doing their jobs.

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HamWatcher t1_it71pyg wrote

NYPD arrests are up across the board month over month across most precincts in the city.

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Rebel90x t1_it16d9h wrote

ah yes, blame it on the NYPD. dont even stop to think about how leftist democrats created and support the current system that lets criminals back on the street.

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crunchybaguette t1_it176nh wrote

Let’s be real. This is a result of compromises by both parties. The idea of defunding the police was supposed to lead to increasing mental health, rehab, and housing projects. Instead we’re left with demoralized police and people that need help that are left to rot on the street. Not saying that there isn’t anything done for them but the homeless are being used as political puppets on a national stage. Fuck the politicians on both sides of the aisle and fuck Adams.

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snowdrone t1_it180jw wrote

Putting together a thoughtful plan for mental health, rehab and housing projects will take awhile, if ever. It was easier to appease the "defund the police" crowd in the short term, and anyone who opposed that was deemed a horrible person, so here we are.

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mybloodyballentine t1_it1bytf wrote

But the NYPD’s budget grew. It’s bigger than ever. That’s the opposite of “defunding”.

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snowdrone t1_it1czeh wrote

Well, in practice, their political support shrank.

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mchavvy t1_it233k6 wrote

So your reply is basically. “In theory I was right. In practice I’m wrong because you provided concrete evidence that shows I talk out my ass.”🙄

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snowdrone t1_it2xj3q wrote

I didn't think of this discussion as a contentious debate. I didn't know that their budget grew. Would you agree that the police have been doing less w/ regard to street/subway crime in the past year? If their budget grew, it seems like less value for money.

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mchavvy t1_it3ii9g wrote

Which is just another reason to defund their budget. Yet you pointed out that’s just an action for appeasement.

You would be served well by putting down the Post and reading some good investigative journalism.

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snowdrone t1_it3j5h3 wrote

I don't read the post. At the same time, I don't think DeBlasio was good for nyc. I am unclear on if you think that the NYPD is better or worse after his term.

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HamWatcher t1_it72vw8 wrote

Their budget didn't grow - it was reduced by over a billion dollars in 2020. It was increased this year, which is what he is probably talking about, but not back up to pre-2020 levels. Additionally, they lost qualified immunity and can be personally sued for arresting people, even legitimate arrests. Furthermore, new rules were put into effect to make it much harder to arrest a resisting criminal. For instance, if they both fall to the ground and the officer lands on top, he is breaking the rules and a lawsuit against him may be successful.

Despite all that, and contrary to the original premise of this comment chain, arrests are still up month over month across the city. The cops aren't on soft strike and are making arrests.

The guy you are talking to is either lying on purpose or an idiot. Hard to tell.

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crunchybaguette t1_it4gohp wrote

If you don’t know then what are you arguing?

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snowdrone t1_it4n9b2 wrote

My comment literally said "I didn't think of this discussion as a contentious debate". People can just talk about things, you know?

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Rottimer t1_it1dcyy wrote

Where are you getting that statistic?

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the_baumer t1_it3cyj1 wrote

In the article linked to this post

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Rottimer t1_it3rgun wrote

It’s nowhere in the article linked to this post, which only speaks to this specific incident.

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QuickRelease10 t1_it2x11q wrote

2020 definitely broke us as a society. It’s definitely noticeable even in day to day interactions with people.

Between the election, COVID, protests, etc. It just seems like we’ve lost our collective minds.

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carolyn_mae t1_it2x8w0 wrote

Yes and just to be clear, I am referring to the USA as a whole, not just nyc. You really need to move to rural Vermont to escape it.

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root086 t1_it0jwkn wrote

Yes. We all have lost our minds to some extent. COVID had more of an effect on mental health compared to physical health

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nonlawyer t1_it0kmmn wrote

> COVID had more of an effect on mental health compared to physical health

Over a million people died in the US alone wtf is this nonsense lmao

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bammerburn t1_it0kycr wrote

Republicans pretending 1 million deaths didn’t happen, and everybody else just losing their minds.

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SakanaToDoubutsu t1_it2m3hg wrote

Say the average person who died from COVID-19 was 50 years old and lost about 25 years of life, that 25 million years of lost potential. By comparison the US population is about 360 million, and effectively lost a year of our lives from 2020 through 2021, thats 360 million years of lost potential. Which was worse in the grand scheme of things?

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tuberosum t1_it2uzk6 wrote

Still the dead, because they'll never get to experience anything ever again.

You spent a year doing indoor things, baking bread and hanging out with friends on zoom instead of at a bar...

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williamwchuang t1_it3fg8p wrote

Why are you comparing the two numbers? You're acting like everything would be normal despite a global pandemic if only the government did not do anything.

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ctindel t1_it175uc wrote

Yes but realistically high tens if not hundreds of millions suffered mental health consequences.

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lupuscapabilis t1_it2fy7q wrote

The whole time we’ve had people screaming about how it’s affecting mental health, only to be met with “shut up and fall in line.” It’s not like everyone wasn’t warned.

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ShoeRunner314 t1_it17kae wrote

Probably a psychological talking point that I’m not confident on, but I’m sure someone more knowledgeable can elaborate on this.

Learning someone pushed a person infront of a train would encourage the thought of others to copy. Similar to how school shootings have grained into the American society in the recent years; guns have always been accessible, but the thought of shooting up a school 30 years ago was unheard of.

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QuickRelease10 t1_it2xwkg wrote

Also inaction, both by society and political institutions, essentially makes it an acceptable outcome.

School shootings and random attacks on public transportation should never be tolerated in a civilized society.

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TeamMisha t1_it2taun wrote

I would say worse than children. Covid made many people detached, psychopathic, and lose the little respect for human life they had. Look no further than the massive uptick in reckless driving we've seen.

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damnatio_memoriae t1_it6604x wrote

dont know if data backs it up but it definitely feels like covid made things worse -- but it also felt like it started a few years before that.

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Nostromeow t1_itbwhaq wrote

One thing that I wonder about, is why these attacks seem so common in NYC ? It’s probably amplified by the media but it seems that I read about a new attack every week. I live in Paris and the subway isn’t the safest place but attacks like this are extremely rare in comparison, or so it seems. I mean you will definitely get yelled at for no reason by a weird crackhead, it’s a rite of passage… But I wonder why violent attacks seem to have surged in NYC subway post pandemic. Is it lack of security personnel ? Lack of mental health services/support in general for marginalized people ? Both ?.. I’m genuinely asking because I really don’t understand, why now, what’s going on ?

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Unique_Bunch t1_itd6r8s wrote

Look in to the actual numbers behind it. It's true that it's not as safe as it was in recent years, but the rate at which the attacks have increased is not even close to the rate at which mass media is publishing news about it.

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Nostromeow t1_itgqpqo wrote

Yeah that’s what I figured, that the media was focusing so much on it that it seemed to happen much more than it actually does

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Aggravating_One4823 t1_it442p1 wrote

Observationally, the person being rushed around interprets it as disrespectful or as aggression. I think what happens is people spend time in the can and know fights typically start with someone bum rushing them. Then we disperse them into a congested city that never sleeps. I think it is more likely to be a pervasive byproduct of a horrible criminal justice system than it is to be caused by COVID. You never hear of people who were normal pre-COVID doing these things. We’re predisposed as humans to blame COVID because that enables us to think these issues will solve themselves on their own when they keep getting worse. If you notice, people only ever blame COVID for non-medical issues they don’t want to resolve.

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