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HashtagDadWatts t1_it7h0np wrote
Does that also mean that the federal government should revoke the financial assistance it provides to Texas in connection with these matters?
MillennialNightmare t1_it7hb78 wrote
The Federal government should be issuing grants directly to the locality because it’s clear the Texas state government on the whole has no interest in actually solving these problems.
Soraflair t1_it7irt4 wrote
I would argue that Texas wants a wall.
It's not the assylim seekers at the border who are trouble, it's the ones who have been forcibly deported due to criminal records who have no choice but attempt reentry by sneaking across the border.
They cannot obtain and overstay a Visa like most illegal migrants.
Most illegal migrants get in through legal means then just go underground. No one really cares about them, since most stay out of trouble.
It's the ones who serve jail time, and then get deported, who then sneak back across at the border. Those are the ones America is trying to keep out, which is why we need a wall.
If people were educated on this, we'd have bipartisan support for a wall, but politics in America is biased and full of BS on both sides, that no one has any idea what to believe.
sutisuc t1_it80gy0 wrote
“Boarder”
Soraflair t1_it88t0g wrote
Thank you, updated.
Also why am I getting downvoted, it's an entirely sensible argument that a majority of people who overstay visas are people who just want to work, and most Americans have no cause for alarm with them. Where as in contrast those that have been deported via criminal charges can no longer simply overstay a Visa, and will likely attempt a border crossing, or some other exigent means which is why we need a wall.
Nothing I am saying is absurd or insensitive, it's a pretty basic and reasonable argument.
99% of this country can't be that stupid to just think Wall = Orange man.
Orange man = Bad
Therefore Wall = Bad.
What the hell is wrong with people. I knew the 10% extreme on each side is a bunch of crazy morons, but the rest of America should be able to have some critical thinking skills.
spicytoastaficionado t1_it93zk6 wrote
>who have no choice but attempt reentry by sneaking across the boarder.
Who says they have no choice? Deported illegal immigrants have the choice to stay home and stop trying to enter a country they have no legal right to be in.
bittoxic00 t1_it8lwmj wrote
Honestly what money? Genuinely don’t know
spicytoastaficionado t1_it93m7t wrote
The majority of federal aid is in the form of grants which are given to national charities like United Way.
That aid is used by charities to process the literally thousands of economic migrants who enter into the state literally every week.
If you want the federal government to tell charities they can't use grants in TX, go for it. All that would mean is migrants entering the state won't get any assistance whatsoever.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it962mn wrote
There's loads of federal funding that goes to Texas states and localities as well, such as: https://cuellar.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=407420
Maybe that funding and a portion of the funding going to Texas NGOs should instead go to NYC and NYC NGOs.
spicytoastaficionado t1_itau0lp wrote
>There's loads of federal funding that goes to Texas states and localities as well, such as: https://cuellar.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=407420
The link you provided is specifically in regards to border security and LEO operations to tackle issues like fentanyl smuggling, which is separate from the humanitarian aid big-brained Redditors insist gets "stripped" from Texas.
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>Maybe that funding
You want federal funding for border security to be diverted to NYC, which shares no land border with Central America?
You do realize funding for border security is wholly separate from the funds used for economic migrants claiming asylum, right?
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>and a portion of the funding going to Texas NGOs should instead go to NYC and NYC NGOs.
The NGOs which receive multi-million dollar federal grants are large national organizations that all have operations in NYC, so a charity such as United Way should be able to take the millions in taxpayer money they get and disperse it efficiently across their networks.
NYC has gotten around 17,000 migrants in the past five months. Texas gets that many every week.
Dolos2279 t1_it7iqf3 wrote
No because Texas is clearly not receiving enough resources as it is and nothing is being done to stop people from entering so doing that would give them reason to increase the amount of migrants they send elsewhere.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it7k4n0 wrote
Border apprehensions are up under the current administration, so I'm not sure why you're lying and saying nothing is being done to stop people from entering.
Dolos2279 t1_it7rkyo wrote
Lol for the love of God spare me this disingenuous gaslighting. What do you think happens when they're apprehended? They often aren't deported because everyone is told to claim asylum so they're let go until their hearing, which most don't show up to. There was a remain in Mexico policy that worked pretty well but was ended by the current admin. They have done nothing but briefly mention an unserious idea about a "path to citizenship" which literally does nothing to solve the problem of droves of homeless people showing up at the border.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it7s63v wrote
Odd to call facts "gaslighting" and then tell a lie by saying most migrants subject to removal proceedings don't show up for court.
machined_learning t1_it82n0l wrote
Also, the Biden administration is closing up the gaping holes in the wall that the previous guy couldn't even get built correctly. So idk why "nothing is being done" is still being thrown around by these dunces
PearlMuel t1_ita83vg wrote
Biden halted border wall construction via EO his first day in office. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/biden-halts-border-wall-building-after-trumps-final-surge
machined_learning t1_itadnt3 wrote
It takes one second to google that he has since continued to build it.
" The Biden administration on Thursday authorized completion of the Trump-funded U.S.-Mexico border wall in an open area of southern Arizona near Yuma, where four wide gaps make it among the busiest corridors for illegal crossings." -July 28, 2022
Soraflair t1_it7iah4 wrote
No, the federal government should still be providing grants, due to the fact that migrants are still temporarily housed in El Paso before they head further into the interior of the US. (It's their first stop)
If affects their local economy, and resources, thus they need the additional funding.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it7ilyq wrote
Not all migrants pass through El Paso, right? There are ports of entry all over the country.
Soraflair t1_it7jgjn wrote
The migrant crisis is in El Paso, due to the crime on the other side. All the major caravans end in El Paso.
You could argue ports of entry in California, and thus I'd agree California should also receive funding as well.
(My other post comment addresses the "other ports of entry issue.")
bri8985 t1_it8ofxn wrote
Fed shouldn’t be handing out tax dollars like candy to everyone. For sure welcome people, just don’t cover the tab
ripstep1 t1_it90juv wrote
Why should he equally distribute them? Makes more sense to ship them to blue states where the voters can bear the burden of following through with their decisions.
machined_learning t1_it80fju wrote
Non-Post article mentions that (Dem?) Mayor Leeser was coordinating with officials in NYC and Chicago and making sure the migrants who were signing up for the buses knew where they were going and chose to do so, and also had people ready to help them at their destination. This was in direct contrast to the migrants who were just shuffled onto buses by Gov. Abbott.
Looks like there is a humane way to treat migrants.
[deleted] t1_it7cj1j wrote
I hope he got my statue of liberty postcard.
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biggreencat t1_itd6wyc wrote
El Stoppo
Dolos2279 t1_it7egvr wrote
I don't understand. NYC is supposed to be a sanctuary for migrants.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it7gpu5 wrote
You don't understand why it's inappropriate to use people's lives as a cynical political stunt?
ripstep1 t1_it90rqv wrote
Is it a political stunt to offload your public state infrastructure?
Dolos2279 t1_it7igrk wrote
Shouldn't the city be eager to help these people who are supposedly being used for a cynical political stunt? As a sanctuary NYC should be bussing them from Texas. Texas is saving NYC money.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it7k0p3 wrote
The city has been helping these folks. That doesn't change the fact that using them as political pawns is wrong.
Dolos2279 t1_it7rue0 wrote
Or maybe they're just spreading the resource burden of dealing with illegal immigration and starting with the places claiming to be sanctuaries. It's the most sensible thing to do in that situation.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it7sbu4 wrote
I guess we should revoke the federal funding they receive, them, and reallocate it to NYC.
Note also that the people being used as pawns are people who are in the country legally.
Dolos2279 t1_it8302y wrote
Well no actually. They're clearly lacking resources at the border so doing that would mean they should send even more to NYC.
>Note also that the people being used as pawns are people who are in the country legally.
I mean sure but endless masses of people showing up claiming asylum are obviously abusing asylum laws. I don't blame them but no matter your views on immigration we can't just absorb unlimited amounts of homeless people from around the world.
HashtagDadWatts t1_it84ldt wrote
You say "send even more to NYC" as though disproportionate funding is here. The truth is that it's the opposite. Texas is getting billions and using it to complain and play political games.
TeamMisha t1_it873in wrote
"sanctuary" just means NYC and other similar cities do not coordinate with immigration police and federal agencies on arresting illegal migrants or people overstaying visas. It doesn't mean we or any other city has infinite resources to accept everyone. This should have been a matter for the federal government, but Texas acted unilaterally in its decision which in my opinion was not right. Instead what should have happened is the federal government and Texas would have coordinated with (and paid from federal grants) other states and cities and distributed migrants to where there was capacity ready, and find out where capacity can be added. "Sanctuary city" doesn't mean NYC is ready to just accept 10,000 migrants in a week lol
heepofsheep t1_it8hvpk wrote
So basically Texas is spending money to ensure these people can’t be deported?
machined_learning t1_it80rgy wrote
What is there not to understand? It is.
Calm-Heat-5883 t1_it8ek61 wrote
Send more of them here. Why doesn't a sanctuary city want them. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing happening. How Long has NYC been a sanctuary city after all. 500 hundred empty beds on Randell island. So where exactly are the supposedly 20000 that have arrived? Money is going somewhere and it's not to help the people who need our help.
edenbeast_of_hell t1_it8npca wrote
It's kind of Cruel sending people to NYC so they can more or less live in a slightly more elavated form of poverty working for slave wages and labor, they need to be shipped back to their country of Origin, we're getting overwhelmed and there isn't much space in NYC.
machined_learning t1_it9fm3t wrote
Im not sure why you think we are getting overwhelmed. The problem is not space, there is plenty of space in a city of millions to accept 14,000. There are also nearly 90,000 apartments being left vacant by landlords because they dont want to bring the buildings up to code. Source
These people are welcome to find a better life like we and our ancestors did.
Edit: Here is the url for the source https://www.thecity.nyc/housing/2022/10/20/23413894/vacant-rent-stabilized-apartments-nyc
edenbeast_of_hell t1_itahpwm wrote
404 Not Found, and because it is already overwhelming Other Boroughs and coloring perspective of people who already live there, Hispanics including.
Chav t1_it8lu15 wrote
> Randell island
Ah yes, all of us real new yorkers want to send them to Randell Island
Calm-Heat-5883 t1_it8t143 wrote
No, the politicians decided to send them there. Visit Jackson heights. There's thousands of undocumented South Americans living there. The vast majority are hard working. Looking for the American dream. The politicians aren't worried about their legal status. So why are they trying to force 500 into tents with winter just round the corner.
machined_learning t1_it9efa3 wrote
First of all the other person was making a point that its "Randalls" Island. Second, I agree that there are a lot of immigrants in NYC and its weird that these people are being sent there while others are not but its because that is our system for granting asylum. If you apply for asylum you are given shelter and social support by the state/city. That is also why its so expensive to accept these migrants, although its clear that we should. The other immigrants here likely didnt go through the asylum process. For now, thats how it is whether we/they like it or not.
Calm-Heat-5883 t1_itb9jky wrote
Forgive me for a spelling error. I guess the other person has never done it themselves so has every right to jump on it. The other immigrants as say likely didn't go through the asylum process because they most likely weren't caught by ice at the border. This is all to do with politics and political gestures than the safety and comfort of asylum seekers. As I was walking to a DD for my morning coffee along Queens Blvd yesterday. I saw a homeless person asleep on the sidewalk covered with just a light blanket. The weather was in the high 40s and Cold. My first thought was get yourself over to Randall's island there's a massive tent there with a bed for you
machined_learning t1_itbyo1r wrote
Haha, I mean there are plenty of shelters also available to that person. Some times people do choose not to go to shelters because they have a lot of requirements (no drugs/alcohol, set bedtime, other ppl around, etc.). I hope they are alright
Calm-Heat-5883 t1_itb9tw5 wrote
Explain what a real New Yorker. If you'd be so kind please. I'd hate to think I don't meet your requirements to be one because I'm an immigrant and not Born here.
Soraflair t1_it7fuqf wrote
Well they legitimately can't all stay in El Paso, he should just equally distribute them to each of the 50 states until the Feds start picking up the tab. Fair and square.
It's a national issue, not just a El Paso or Texas issue.