BeamStop23 t1_issey7m wrote on October 18, 2022 at 11:11 AM

Reply to comment by spageddy_lee in Carriage horse Ryder dies months after infamous collapse on Midtown streets by Tasty-Barracuda-6980

Well human's choosing this for animals is a moral discussion. I'm just saying that this video has a lot of "shock" value and outrage culture is very easy to get clicks from. The things being said about the owner online from the video is disturbing considering he didn't do anything wrong in how he handled the collapse. It is just as likely that over 30 years he has a bond with the horse, it's longevity is linked to how much work he's put into keeping him healthy, and is saddened by the loss. Given it's age I wouldn't even be surprised if the horse wasn't even making him any money. In the industry I'd have been normal to have him killed a long time ago.

SuffrnSuccotash t1_isuwd9c wrote on October 18, 2022 at 9:41 PM

He had EPM which is a neurological disorder cause by a parasite opossums carry. The opossums spread it if they get into the horses feed which can be difficult to prevent. The disease is hard to treat and also hard to diagnose. My friends horse got it and it was terrible. The horse collapsed and she got hurt. It can kind of lurk in their systems for a while without any symptoms showing.

BeamStop23 t1_isxrenp wrote on October 19, 2022 at 2:04 PM

Which directly contradicts the outrage culture's decision that it died because of towing on asphalt and heat. That's why it's never smart to come to conclusions without having all the facts available.

SuffrnSuccotash t1_isxztm5 wrote on October 19, 2022 at 3:03 PM

I really try to stay out of the carriage horse debate because overwhelming the people against have literally no knowledge of horses. Most people don’t realize what goes into caring for a horse that can potentially live 30-40 years. They don’t realize how many carriage horses would have otherwise been sold at auction for a gruesome end on a truck to Mexico to be disposed of as meat. I’m happy to see horses in an easy job with people advocating for them who get regular vet checks. The carriage horses I’ve seen have all been in good weight with their feet trimmed. This guy looked skinny but older horses just like older dogs often have a hard time keeping weight on. If there’s an industry to go after it would be the racing industry which actually produces more horses that then need care when their careers are over in racing. The other evil horse industry I’d like to see shut down because it churns out more horses that need homes is the Premarin mares. People actually think they breed horses to pull carriages in the park which is the opposite of what happens. Working as a carriage horse actually saves a lot of horses that would otherwise be thrown away.

Heythatsmybikeeeee t1_ith31p5 wrote on October 23, 2022 at 4:34 PM

Everyone knows why it collapsed. It was also severe underweight, elderly and working in the heat. Stop defending this cruel practice that is continued because a bunch of weirdos without animal knowledge can’t be bothered to get a real job. Pulling tourists in a horse carriage around nyc is not a real job

BeamStop23 t1_ithryev wrote on October 23, 2022 at 7:14 PM

So it's been about a week. I do apologize, the horse was not in the owners care until earlier this year. The horse also actually died from cancer which explains the weightloss. I'm not necessarily buying the horse dying from a 90 degree heat day when horses are desert animals and wild horses still exist in desserts. So for me personally on one hand we shouldn't have horses dying from old age diseases on the road, on the other I don't support killing them for export to China. Given that it's "career" ended long ago, do you think it should have been killed?

Heythatsmybikeeeee t1_ith2nvy wrote on October 23, 2022 at 4:31 PM

The owner had purchased this horse months before from an Amish auction. The horse was severely underweight and clearly elderly. The owner then didn’t seek medical care for the horse that was suffering a brain condition from inhaling rodent droppings. The owner then put this thin, sick elderly horse to work in 100 degree heat. The owner should not be allowed to work with horses if the owner is so dumb he can’t see what a lay person can see- that the horse was not fit to work. He bought a cheap horse and planned to work it until it died. He sat and played with his phone while nypd revived his horse. The owner shouldn’t get praise for beating a horse that collapsed to get it out of the road when his poor choices led to the horse collapsing. Are you part of this dumb carriage horse union?