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beepoppab t1_itt0w5a wrote

Reply to comment by sysyphusishappy in New York City appeals judge's ruling that could reinstate fired unvaccinated employees by ILikeTalkn2Myself

“Seatbelts do not prevent car crashes.”

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sysyphusishappy t1_itt2eqt wrote

So to be clear, you're telling me the vaccine stops the spread of omicron? You need to update your talking points, because even the CDC has said this isn't true.

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radek4pl t1_itvfwp5 wrote

Are you trying to say then that vaccine mandates no longer make sense since "breakthrough" infections are extremely common and the main goal of vaccination is personal protection against severe illness and death?

I'm no longer protecting you and you are no longer protecting me. I take the vaccine and I protect myself. You take the vaccine and you protect yourself. Everybody can make their own medical decisions based on their current situation.

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sysyphusishappy t1_itvl62d wrote

Omicron goes right through the vaccines. The director of the CDC got covid a month after her 4th "booster".

The entire rationale for vaccine mandates of any kind is to protect others. The government does not have the authority to force people to make the right healthcare choices for themselves.

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beepoppab t1_itt4wnw wrote

A lot of words you inferred there..

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sysyphusishappy t1_itt6u3y wrote

Pretty simple question. Do the vaccines stop the spread of omicron or not? Nothing at all to do with "inferring words", whatever that is supposed to mean.

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oceanblue966 t1_ituoobr wrote

You get less sick, show less symptoms, sneeze and cough less, and generally get over the illness faster. All of the above symptoms that are lessened, certainly contribute to the spread of covid. So in short - it does reduce transmission, and the vaccine is highly safe & effective considering the circumstances surrounding its development.

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sysyphusishappy t1_itvm8wz wrote

> You get less sick, show less symptoms, sneeze and cough less, and generally get over the illness faster. All of the above symptoms that are lessened, certainly contribute to the spread of covid.

By how much do they "contribute" to slowing the spread and for how long? BTW the director of the CDC got covid a month after her FOURTH dose of the vaccine. I guess that was a "breakthrough case".

> So in short - it does reduce transmission, and the vaccine is highly safe & effective considering the circumstances surrounding its development.

LOL at "considering the circumstances". That is not how we judge the safety or efficacy of pharmaceutical products. The "emergency" excuse has long since become a moot point. There is no more "emergency".

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beepoppab t1_itt7eoi wrote

Listen mate, all I'm saying is seatbelts don't prevent car crashes, umbrella's don't prevent rain, and kevlar doesn't prevent gunshots.

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beepoppab t1_ituwzus wrote

Right, that's the idiotic irony here. These antivax incels are missing that vaccines don't prevent infection, just as seatbelts don't prevent car accidents. They just substantially reduce the risk of death or serious injury/illness.

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radek4pl t1_ituynhc wrote

That's a terrible argument, if anything you can argue that seatbelts don't prevent death upon accident, but they do reduce the chance of death.

Seatbelts were never advertised as preventing accidents (infection), but vaccines were infact advertised as 95% effective in USA and 100% effective against infection in Africa. Most importantly, claims were made by medical professionals that even if you happened to be infected by the virus, you would be a dead end to it, ie you won't transmit it to others. Transmission was the main selling point of the mandates.

“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that’s when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community.”

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hortence1234 t1_iu4qv2s wrote

Conflating two different things... no wonder people hate lib hipsters.

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