mdervin t1_jdiiaow wrote
Reply to comment by AnacharsisIV in NYC: Success Academy Buys New Properties While Planning to Charge Rent to NYC Public Schools by barweis
You are factually wrong.
In NYC, charter school placement is done by lottery. Preference is obviously given to returning students, siblings of students and local residents.
White kids make up only 4% of Charter School Students, the majority(52%) go to private school, with the rest to public school.
20% of Black kids, 9% of Hispanic kids and less than 2% of Asian kids go to Charter schools, which means Charter schools are about 90% Black and Hispanic.
We can easily assume those numbers would be significantly higher Black and Hispanic kids if there were more charter schools.
So just to be clear, you are telling People of Color that they are wrong for sending their children to charter schools.
https://www.schools.nyc.gov/enrollment/enroll-in-charter-schools/how-to-enroll-in-charter-schools
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/complex-demographics-new-york-public-private-schools
AnacharsisIV t1_jdijh8t wrote
Where did I say anything that disagrees with what you're saying?
I never said charter admission wasn't based on lotteries. I never said they were substantively white, nor that they weren't full of black and Hispanic students. I never said I was against charter schools or that parents were wrong for sending their children there.
You seem like you're so used to arguing with anti-charter posters you just regurgitate the same facts irrespective of whether or not they prove your point.
mdervin t1_jdikb0a wrote
OK, Fine.
Do you believe publicly funded charter schools should exist?
_the_credible_hulk_ t1_jdiosiq wrote
When you lift caps on charters, your city’s school system becomes Philadelphia. Public schools become repositories for kids whose parents don’t care or don’t have the wherewithal to get them into charters (minus a couple of high performing magnet schools), and every parent who has the time and inclination to fill out an application sends their kid to a charter of decidedly middling quality. You get to break the union, you burn through every young teacher three years out of college, and your public school system is destroyed. And twenty thousand union members with a passable quality of life go looking for greener pastures. That’s what you’re looking for?
mdervin t1_jdiravx wrote
Do you think the Philadelphia Public School system was properly educating Children of Color before charter schools existed?
_the_credible_hulk_ t1_jdis0l2 wrote
Problems are exacerbated by the existence and growth of charters.
mdervin t1_jdisflf wrote
Citation needed.
bittoxic00 t1_jdmg6h7 wrote
He means if you take away all the good kids then bad kids become a higher percentage of students and the problem is worse (more visible). He’s upset he’s not teaching geniuses like in the movies he watched as a kid that inspired him to become a teacher and now has a difficult work environment
mdervin t1_jdmu36z wrote
Why should poor parents who give a damn about their child's education and future be forced to go to school with bad kids? Especially with an unresponsive (at best) educational bureaucracy?
Why are you so willing to sacrifice the future of poor kids?
bittoxic00 t1_jdnhq34 wrote
I think for one no teachers would line up to teach a room of terrible kids who might assault or otherwise shoot them as we just saw a 6 year old do.
mdervin t1_jdoagn1 wrote
And you want to put those teacher-shooting kids in the same classroom as kids who want to learn? What kind of monster are you?
bittoxic00 t1_jdohqyx wrote
Just for the record, no, they need to have better methods to teach and handle specific children
mdervin t1_jdokvqe wrote
What are those methods?
bittoxic00 t1_jdon39g wrote
Specialized attention to their needs, therapy, remedial math and English. Have you seen the stats on what percentage of students can perform either at their grade level?
mdervin t1_jdrr40z wrote
That doesn't seem so difficult to do. I wonder why the Board Of Ed won't do it?
bittoxic00 t1_jdrziiw wrote
It would cost additional teachers and funding
mdervin t1_jdsce4s wrote
So because you don't want to pay more in taxes, you want to force poor kids to go to shitty schools with dangerous kids? Once again, what kind of monster are you?
bittoxic00 t1_jdsd3v8 wrote
Lol, who said I paid any taxes
mdervin t1_jdsiai7 wrote
and now we know why the schools are underfunded, because of people like you.
bittoxic00 t1_jdsisqv wrote
Last year I didn’t pay my 3 billion in tax, I figured why do it
AnacharsisIV t1_jdikm5g wrote
Yes? I literally said that in my last post.
EDIT: To restate the thesis of my first post; I have no issue with the existence of charter schools, my issue is specifically them being landlords to public schools, because I would rather they dedicate their attention to educating students rather than split their attention between education and real estate.
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