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Rottimer t1_jc5drdz wrote

Reply to comment by Odins-Enriched-Sack in Teen brutally attacked in NYC subway station; hate crime probed: NYPD by OpinionPoop

As shitty as this situation was, it doesn’t look like anyone ended up in the hospital. There were broken glasses, a bloody lip and probably a bruised ego. Those kids should absolutely be arrested. But introducing a gun in this situation may have put someone in the morgue. That would absolutely be a worse outcome even for assholes like these.

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Odins-Enriched-Sack t1_jc5i46s wrote

>As shitty as this situation was, it doesn’t look like anyone ended up in the hospital.

Do you think there is a limit to the amount of damage you should receive before you can use a gun?

>But introducing a gun in this situation may have put someone in the morgue. That would absolutely be a worse outcome even for assholes like these.

At what point do you think that someone should not be concerned with the well-being and safety of their attacker?

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Rottimer t1_jc5jewr wrote

Deadly force is a last resort where your life or the life of another is in danger of ending and you or they cannot get away. The problem with this is that people with guns get it in their head that anything can put their life danger - “that guy called me an asshole and is staring me down, what if he punches me and I hit my head on the pavement and die? Time to pull out the gun and start blasting!!!”

There is also the issue with population density and the fact that bullets don’t care about your intent. NYPD cops know this first hand as a number of police involved shootings have harmed innocent bystanders. More guns in this city, legal or otherwise, will result in more gun deaths.

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Odins-Enriched-Sack t1_jc5mokw wrote

>Deadly force is a last resort where your life or the life of another is in danger of ending and you or they cannot get away.

Yes, I understand.

>The problem with this is that people with guns get it in their head that anything can put their life danger - “that guy called me an asshole and is staring me down, what if he punches me and I hit my head on the pavement and die? Time to pull out the gun and start blasting!!!”

This definitely can occur, but I don't think it's fair to assume that every gun owner is a hypersensitive cowboy that is ready to shoot first. But I do understand that can be the case with certain types of people. I also knew guys that pulled out boxcutters or hammers as soon as they felt threatened. But I am also aware that a gun can do much more damage in a much shorter amount of time.

>There is also the issue with population density and the fact that bullets don’t care about your intent. NYPD cops know this first hand as a number of police involved shootings have harmed innocent bystanders. More guns in this city, legal or otherwise, will result in more gun deaths.

True. More armed people up the chances of shootings. That's a very major problem in our country currently. I know that the NYPD used certain types of bullets ( I think hollowpoints ) since they tend to break apart in the body and not go through people as easily.

I just think there should be a middle ground between making it impossible for reasonable, vetted, and regularly trained individuals to have access to a tool that can keep them safe in a violent altercation. It just seems to me that criminals and cops can easily get access to guns in NYC.

I am aware of the issues with gun control in this country. I am aware of the problems that unreasonable gun laws cause. I am not a gun nut. I am not asking these questions to troll either. NYC has some of the most strict firearm regulations in the entire country. It's just that I have personally been a victim of violent crime on more than one occasion. There was a very big difference in the outcome when I was armed vs. When I was unarmed. I think being armed can keep people safe in situations like this. I don't think you always have to shoot. Sometimes just the threat can be enough.

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Rottimer t1_jc5n6eq wrote

> NYC has some of the most strict firearm regulations in the entire country.

And it's also one of the safest cities in the country. There will always be crime. I simply don't believe that more guns is going to be the solution to minimizing it. There are states with far less regulation on guns and their largest cities tend to be much more violent than NYC.

Edit: And by the way, I'm not anti-gun. Guns have their place. But I think if you live or visit a large city and it's suburbs, you should meet much greater scrutiny to have a gun on you than if you live, in say, rural West Virgnia.

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