I understand. This has always been an issue in densely populated metro areas. I wish there was a better way for people to keep themselves safe and be able to help their fellow citizens, all without coming into harm's way.

I think it would balance itself out eventually. I also think it would bring rent prices down.

>As shitty as this situation was, it doesn’t look like anyone ended up in the hospital.

Do you think there is a limit to the amount of damage you should receive before you can use a gun?

>But introducing a gun in this situation may have put someone in the morgue. That would absolutely be a worse outcome even for assholes like these.

At what point do you think that someone should not be concerned with the well-being and safety of their attacker?

>And, funny enough, the criminals who are already carrying on the subway don't really get into confrontations on said subway. It's odd, but that's how it shakes out. I guess they even know not to piss on their typical form of conveyance.

Do you think that it's because they have a gun, and nobody wants to get themselves shot?

>I dunno dude, I suppose its the question on whether you want to see this kind of shit in the news or ' 2 teens airholed by straphangers trying to break up fight between said teens '

I know that this won't be popular, but I think sometimes you bring it on yourself. I hear about shootings and violent crime all the time on the news. Usually, it's about a victim of it who couldn't defend themselves. I grew up in this city, and anyone who did (especially during a certain time in certain places) knows how violent things can get. You can't fight off everyone. You know that some people are batshit crazy. I don't think it's alright that it's culturally acceptable in NYC to just accept that on occasion, you could get jumped on the train. You are just expected to deal with that or watch yourself more. I don't like relying on some cop (who is probably hiding out in a room in transit) to come help me out. I only see police show up after the fact in many cases. You know that's how it works. I personally think more citizens having the ability to keep themselves safe is more of a positive than a negative. Especially after hearing another story about an autistic kid who got jumped and stomped out by a bunch of shit heads. Of course, no one tried to help since they didn't want to get hurt. It could also be because some people don't care what happens to you... So I think people should be able to look after themselves. Even if it means every now and then you could turn into Swiss cheese.

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So then people will have to be quicker on the draw. Old school, like Wild Bill and the OG cowboys. More guns mean more practice. Duels at high noon would start popping up all throughout the city, like food trucks. This could eventually have a positive effect. Like increasing tourism. /s

In all seriousness, there are ways to allow for responsible and reasonable gun ownership. I don't think everyone should own an AR-15 or a tank. I also don't believe that it should be super easy to get a gun. I do think people should have a right to keep themselves, their family, and their possessions safe. Law enforcement can not be everywhere all the time and all at once. In some cases, they are completely useless and will end up hurting the victim instead. I also believe that if rights can be taken away, then they are privileges, not rights.

I do, however, understand that rights come with responsibility. There must also be reasonable conssessions made. For example, you have the right to free speech (and all that it entails). You don't have the right to yell "fire!" in a crowded space and cause a stamped. Your right to do something shouldn't infringe on someone else's rights. My right to own a firearm shouldn't infringe in your right to be alive. Were I to abuse that right, then I should be made to deal with dire consequences.

We allow for responsible vehicle ownership. This is despite the fact that vehicles can be two ton heavy metal death machines. We force people to learn to drive and prove that they can drive. We require individuals to register and insure their vehicle. We require mandatory annual inspections and renewal of registration. We have infrastructure in place (not perfect) that influences the way people drive (speeding cameras, stop lights, etc). I believe this could be done for firearm ownership, just in a more stringent way.

If you believe that all it is taking for people to go completely ape shit is access to a weapon; then we already live in a terribly unsafe and deranged society. That would make me feel that I NEEDED a firearm even more. I understand the nature of this subject is sensitive. I wish these conversations could happen in a more reasonable way. I also understand what you are saying and the point you are trying to make. Or at least I think I understand.