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"oh, they're beating him up now"

well...

So some dude with no prior issues and a law degree almost kills a cop just for the hell of it?

Dude just fucked up his life for a while.

“A one-time college lacrosse player who graduated in 2019 from Thiel College with a criminal justice degree,”

Well, that’s ironic.

> law degree

No one calls undergrad criminal justice a "law degree"

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Throwing away years of your life to impress some trashy guys on the street. Nice

Lmao "almost kills a cop" Jesus you people are insane. No wonder you people defend cops shooting innocent people in their own homes if your level of "fearing for your life" is being pushed over while already crouched

Hope the cop who hit his head is okay. Could've been real ugly. God bless NYPD!

What drove this judge to execute two officers in broad nightlight

And this is why crime is de facto legal now...

Lmao. 😂

NGL I clicked on this to see some Tucker Carlson-looking dude getting arrested and this clip subverted my expectations.

The moral decline of our society began with contempt for the law and norms of civilized behavior.

Some people have to learn the hard way. So he got his 5 minutes of fame. He also got a locked up and ended up bleeding.

Nothing is going to happen to him. Wont spend a minute in jail.

I was just going to write this. I know that a criminal justice degree isn't a law degree, but lol. . . he knows better. Even if you disagree with an arrest, you don't fight it on the street, you fight it in court.

How the turn tables.

I highly doubt that considering he pretty clearly severely injured a cop. NYPD usually doesn’t like that.

> Shawndel Evans, 26, of Connecticut was arrested in connection with the incident. > > […] her son was visiting a high school pal who lives in the city and may have asked cops to use a cellphone so he could locate his own phone.

There were so many bystanders with a phone, he could’ve asked anyone else before assaulting.

This incident puts a spin in the fear monger anecdote: an out-of-state tourist comes to NYC, then instead of getting assaulted by a criminal, he assaults a cop.

Fuck off with this. This is exactly why people hate us on the left. We can’t be critical of some asshole because because of people like you.

Look at the damn video and how the cop hit his head and how his body was behaving trying to get back up.

You know how easy it is to die from a blow to the head with fucking pavement?

My bad. I know it’s not a law degree just what came to my brain when typing after reading.

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Yeah but DA's office won't do their end of the bargain.

Ehhh doubtful in this instance. I bet this guy gets a couple years

Contempt for police is caused by police not by moral decline. The police need norms of civilized behavior.

Ironic from the username tough guy.

Nah. He’ll get counseling and a fine.

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I know practically this is a sensible position, but given how our police act* i have a hard time stomaching it and really can’t blame people for physically resisting. If the police want unquestioning compliance, they need to earn unquestionable respect. Unfortunately, as a group they not only are very fare from having earned such respect but don’t even seem to want to try.

*(eg if what actually happened is that he asked the officer to use their phone to help find his own lost phone [exactly the kind of help a regular citizen might expect an officer to happily provide] and they told him to fuck off, as some witnesses reported in the post story; alternatively, we can all think of other extensively reported examples of police misconduct)

“Clearly severely injured”? I didn’t see where the post article indicates the injuries were severe, what gives you that impression.

Based on the reactions of the “peanut gallery” I’m sure that’s exactly what happened! None of his friends or the bystanders could let them use their phone. He had to ask the cops to use their phone. Even so, I didn’t know you’re allowed to physically assault someone for hurting your feelings.

The cop is probably fine. Now he gets to “retire” from the force with a $100k a year disability pension and take a second job down in Florida or the Carolinas.

“I don’t like cops, and some cops are bad, so you’re allowed to assault them and resist arrest”

Traumatic brain injuries are no joke. Pretty clear the guy can’t even stand after his head hit the pavement. That’s at least a severe concussion and could be worse.

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There it is! “Bootlicker!” 🤣

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Except the police exhibit as much contempt for the law as normal people, if not more. I was on hoyt street walking with my kids last weekend. Some twerp pulled his suv right up onto the sidewalk just south of fulton. I said “what are you doing bro, this is the sidewalk?” And he replied “did i hit you? No, so go on.”

So when i got to schermerhorn two blocks down i saw a cop and told him “hey, some jerk just pulled up and parked on the sidewalk two blocks back, can you please help?” And he could not have cared less. As i walked away i didn’t know what to tell my kids - why do we have police if they have no interest in addressing wrongdoing?

In thinking about it further, it made sense the cop didn’t care because they park on the sidewalk all the time and break traffic laws with impunity for their own convenience (rather than only when responding to emergencies).

But people see the police’s actions and take their cues from them. If our law enforcement personnel are themselves lawless, why expect different from our citizenry?

He didn’t severely injure anything but a cop’s ego. Just like those milkshake poison cops a few years ago.

Or - hear me out - the police could have helped him. I know, crazy idea right?

Clearly you’ve never met anyone who has suffered a tbi and your head is used to weathering the storm of hitting concrete like it’s nothing I guess?

Generalizing an entire group based on the behavior of a few individuals is "problematic", don't you think? But I guess it's ok in your moral framework when it's directed towards police.

Even if what he said happened was true, would you allow a stranger to use your phone?

We send our kids out to get concussions (not to mention countless repeated sub-concussive impacts) all the time because people love american football, but now one’s a reason to get all het up about someone with the temerity to resist arrest i.e. demonstrate how cops are bad at their jobs?

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There is no mass moral decline. You're not the stalwart main character you think you are. Geniuses like you have been crying about Moral decline for years even when crime and violence goes down. You're not goint to get your west is falling vindication anytime soon

You’re ridiculous.

Just goes to show how ridiculous and out of touch people are on this sub! Justifying and encouraging assaulting cops and the “peanut gallery” filming and encouraging it.

Like it or not people get hurt when their skull hits pavement. If you’re going to tussle on the street, know it means there’s possible massive repercussions to your actions.

I played rugby for four years with pretty reckless abandon to my body, even at my dumbest I never would have played on concrete.

I don’t know. The really crazy idea here is assaulting the police, to be honest.

According to Google Not in NY. You can fight a charge for resisting arrest and have it dropped if it’s unlawful but you can’t legally resist arrest.

However, you truly have to be some kind of stupid to think resisting arrest is going to go well for you. You have a situation where the cop thinks they are in the right and you think you’re in the right.

We know cops are assholes and love a power trip, especially NYPD. AND knowing this makes you think resisting an arrest is your best course of action? That makes 0 sense.

Shit, even if it’s legal I still don’t understand in what world you’re going to convince a cop that’s already gotten physical to just relax and let you go. I rather be alive than dead right.

Also I feel like I have to say I’m a liberal because I know the only response people have here when someone doesn’t agree is some sort of go suck on trumps cock type of response.

We’re smart, we can have multiple ideas in our head at the same time. You can both think cops need to change AND agree this dude is a complete idiot for what he did.

> Unlawful arrest – A person may be found not guilty of resisting arrest if the arrest was done unlawfully, meaning, without a warrant or probable cause. It is not advisable, however, to argue the legality of an arrest as it is happening especially if the officer is acting in their capacity lawfully. It would be better to determine the legality of arrest when you have legal counsel and help on your side.

https://www.lebedinkofman.com/how-to-get-a-resisting-arrest-charge-dropped-in-new-york/

I think it’s more so just the way the internet works. It frequently uses anger or outrage as a driver so it brings together the most toxic and inauthentic parts of people and their opinions. I know I likely bring shitty parts of myself into discussions sometimes as well. People in the real world tend to be a lot more wide ranging and interesting than the way we all present online. And terminally online or relatively immature people tend to be so divorced from actual reality that you need to get in arguments that slamming the back of your head on concrete could result in a potentially life changing injury.

The lines are definitely becoming blurred. Go on tiktok and you’ll see half of an interaction and it’ll get millions of views with strong opinions with no context. I’m pretty sure that’s what the people filming here were hoping for. A “viral” moment, hence the antagonizing and encouraging going on.

Watching the initial struggle, I couldn't help thinking: "Sweep the leg!"

A cop slammed my head on the concrete once and gave me a TBI. Because someone told them I was drunk. I remember the whole thing clearly because I was at a work event & talking with my boss online & had merely stood in front of the door to a bar area in an entertainment venue, pissing off a manager who screamed at me & then lied to the cops. All charges dropped after I was processed. Still get headaches on that side of my head. Wrote an article about it for the publication I was working at during that time.

Sorry about your angel police officers. I don’t wish for them to get hurt. But “could have been hurt” is not “gotten very badly hurt”. Pushing someone over is not attempted murder. If it was, surely modern policing would be impossible as I keep seeing arrest videos where the suspect’s head is repeatedly slammed into the pavement. I don’t wish for suspects to get unnecessarily hurt either. I’ll take the downvotes for that.

I’m sorry that happened to you. Nowhere did I say the criminal justice system is fair, you’re one of many people who doesn’t get justice or accountability in it.

That doesn’t change the fact that slamming someone’s head against the concrete to the point of knocking them out is a serious potential injury. It’s wrong when a private citizen or a cop does it and there should be repercussions for either if done with malice.

I think in using terms like “Angel police officers” you’re speaking to a strawman and not me anymore.

Upvote for link and advisements. It’s better to be wrong and alive than correct and dead is accurate and in NY you SHOULD wait until you have the legal counsel before “fighting” your arrest even if NYPD violates use of force guidelines making resisting a defensible action.

My first arrest ever, the cop tried to throw me down some stairs but I managed to balance myself and they ended up getting hurt. I got charged with assault on an officer while resisting arrest. At arraignment the judge asked what the initial arrest was for and LUCKILY the cops in my case didn’t think that far ahead so my felony charges disappeared and I ended up with a violation for harassment of an officer. I hear you and I agree with your advice in theory, but I have also lived my life.

I mean I’m all for folks recording police officers. They need to be accountable to the broader public and body cams and citizen bystanders are good ways to do that. But yeah people trying to treat all that like a joke and just film for clout aren’t helping anyone.

> You are allowed to resist arrest, legally, if you believe the arrest is unlawful.

😂

A kid who graduated college and hasn’t gotten in any past trouble… what a great way to set your career back 10 steps. Idiot.

Actions that would have been 100% justified and could have been used by the first two cops. Repeated strikes, taser, spray. But they keep trying to just use arm control to control somebody bigger/stronger then them.

Crowd would have probably scream police abuse and become hostile had they used any of the tactics/devices above anyway.

I love how you go from “sorry that happened” about my TBI to “you’re talking to a straw man” talking directly to facts about being a person with a cop-induced TBI. Any level of sarcasm is disrespectful and disqualifying.

That’s not a problem with police, that’s a problem with Reddit commenters.

I mean you’re right I could have worded the last line better, but can you forgive me for being peeved that you’d put words in my mouth that we’re way out of left field and mischaracterizing of anything I was saying? Especially considering my point boils down to we should treat tbi seriously.

And…that’s how you get upgraded to a felony

The only thing we know for certainty is that he’s now getting a felony charge lol

While the video shows nothing about why he was cuffed in the first place and whether or not it was justified, once the video started rolling the cops aren't acting violently. They hold his arms trying to restrain him. They don't beat him or taze him. And when he gets away, they don't chase him. They don't taze him or god forbid shoot him.

Tell me you don’t know the law without telling me you don’t know the law

Yeah. I'm going to wait for the entire video to come out. Police will say "Suspect was banging on our patrol car" and the video will show the guy knocking on the window.

Having a criminal justice degree is probably the reason he ran. When you really know the full extent of what the police are capable of, just to make an arrest stick, you would be scared of them too. Especially since they can’t beat people like they used to.

>Traumatic brain injuries are no joke. Pretty clear the guy can’t even stand after his head hit the pavement. That’s at least a severe concussion and could be worse.

Need to have a brain in order to have a brain injury.

I have, though not in every instance when i’ve been asked - regardless, one would think the burden was higher for the police to help people than for a random person.

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So do civilians.

Ah the "few bad apples defense". Once again you are refusing to address the full phrase, which is "a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch". Until there is actual accountability for police no one will respect them, and they shouldn't.

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These downvotes speak volumes. Half these “F Da police” would be the first to call if anything went wrong. Spineless. This city is a joke.

You got that right. This city is pure filth and am counting the days until I move.

Suspect was hit with 15k bond/5k cash bail. Most likely will be posted. Case with then go on for a 1 year plus in court dates before a plea deal is reached.

Reminds me of Bryan Kohberger the guy who commuted the Idaho college murders. He was pursuing a criminal Justice phd.

is there any evidence that the DA won't file charges against a seemingly-uninstigated assault on a police officer? like, a single case wherein the cops got hit during a legal arrest and charges weren't filed? this should be really easy for you to find, since it must happen so often for you to be so sure.

nypd is facing no reduction in their funding, powers, or political support. you can drop the victim mask

as vile as your position in the matter is, i do agree: don't encourage behavior you're not willing to support. cheer for him but also help him get home safe. otherwise don't encourage him to only further fuck himself over legally. who knows if there was a case before; there sure as fuck is now.

taser shouldn't be '100% justified', given that 80% of the deaths it inflicts are on nonviolent offenders. it should be a weapon of last resort, after physical restraint is ruled out due to danger (which isn't being bad at tackling, it's the perp holding a knife)

frontrunner for supreme court position massacres PEACE OFFICER in front of cheering crowd

you're not on the left if you're arguing this way man. what he did is clearly assault, there's no reason to give a free shoeshine with your tongue for a people who not only tackle innocent people daily, but shoot, tase, and beat them. the courts will fuck this guy enough, and we'll be paying the cop's disability suit, he doesn't need reddit """""leftist""""" virtue signaling.

the moment we let cops break laws with impunity, it only became natural every other civilian would want in

yes. i'm also not carrying a gun, bulletproof vest, handcuffs, nor am i legally supported in doing whatever i want so long as i say it was justified

What does that have to do with letting a stranger use your personal cell phone ?

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You watched too many movies.

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That’s stupid

Very cool comment!

My original comment is that he will do no time.

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This guy, who had at least 2 prior felony convictions on separate occasions and was arrested again in 2017 for ramming a cop with an ATV, got 1.5 to 3 years in prison for ramming a cop with a stolen car. Given that only 6.1% of felony arrests resulted in a felony conviction in 2021, I would be surprised if the guy from this incident got anything more than 2 years.

> the courts will fuck this guy enough

Mass incarceration moment: less than 7% of felony arrests in NYC disposed in 2021 received a jail or prison sentence.

Amen brother.

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And you’re… apparently not an expert

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Kinda racist on your end.

For a minute there I thought my boy Mahomes was breaking bad.

I remember some stat from a while ago that was something like over half of criminal justice degrees have jail time.

Its like they sit in prison and are like "ya know, I could do this"

Gonna go ahead and blame cocaine on this one.

Now imagine if he properly assessed the situation, used proper restraining technique, and had waited for adequate backup instead of getting embarrassed by a drunk kid.

Bless em all you want its no excuse for incompetence and poor training.

I love how the cops tell a story to put them in a favorable light, as if they have any credibility at this point. Cops notoriously lie to cover their own ass, and it's no different in this case.

I'd guess at least 10% of the city has a criminal record. A lot of the angry down-voters are literally criminals themselves. They'll keep blindly raging against law enforcement and social order and wonder why their lives continue to get shittier.

>Contempt for police is caused by police not by moral decline.

In some cases, but the majority of cases? No, total nonsense.

He walked up to a cop car and asked to use their cellphone. Nobody is going to fall for that cop or civilian should have pointed him to one those free kiosks that are replacing the payphones

I hope you hit your head on the pavement. Should be fine considering it's not a big deal

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Honestly, this is why the force needs to allow and TRAIN all officers on the Lateral Vascular Neck Restraint (LVNR) to safely render suspects unconscious without damaging the airway or any other part of their body.