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IIAOPSW t1_jbu50g2 wrote

Reply to comment by MarkMan267 in Latest subway cars roll into service, start their journey on the A line by kuberlog

I wasn't qualified as a kid either but they still let me push the lever for a few min.

Come on, we're not talking about throwing them the keys and shouting "comebackinanhour". I'm sure its perfectly safe with an engineer over their shoulder backseat driving for the duration of a photo op.

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IRequirePants t1_jbuh0jd wrote

> Come on, we're not talking about throwing them the keys and shouting "comebackinanhour"

I would want to be on that train.

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IIAOPSW t1_jbv0ley wrote

tossing you keys
come^back^in^an^hour

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MarkMan267 t1_jbue08u wrote

Yeah, just because a lot of ops did dumb shit like that back then (and only got away with it because of no social media) doesn't mean we should continue said dumb shit today.

Any vehicle like this, you shouldn't be allowed to operate unless you've undergone training at first. That applies even if you have someone watching over them.

We wouldn't let someone operate a bus or plane for "just a few seconds" under the guise of "Eh, it's just for fun." Same should apply here.

Allowing unqualified people to operate trains literally helped lead to the deadliest accident in NYC subway history. Hard pass.

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IIAOPSW t1_jburuxx wrote

Before everything got up tight over 9/11, pilots were happy to entertain kids curious about the cockpit. Most people were in fact totally cool with it for "just a few seconds" or "eh, its just for fun".

Malbone Street was not an instance of letting someone unqualified-but-supervised touch the controls for a bit. Malbone street happened because the BRT hired some union scabs and then tossed them the keys with basically no training. There was nobody over Luciano's shoulder telling him to slow down when he took that 6 mph turn at over 30 mph. It was not a one off ride with him either, he had been operating the train unqualified and unsupervised for about a week. Don't bait and switch me, I know my history too.

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MarkMan267 t1_jbv5kmq wrote

Even though he didn't have supervision over his shoulder, it doesn't change ny main point....had he been qualified, the chances of that happening would have been slim to none.

Oh, and by the way, entertaining kids "curious about the cockpit" isn't the same as giving them the controls to the plane for a few seconds or minutes. If I'm guilty of a bait and switch, sounds like I'm not the only one here.

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