offwhitegrey t1_jbcarow wrote
Reply to comment by mowotlarx in 4 hurt (one critically) at Lafayette and Canal wall collapse. Site had previous safety violations. by cla1r1t1n
Not the city’s fault. The city is doing everything it can to enforce safety rules on construction sites, the problem is companies are employing low wage and unskilled workers to try to do these complex jobs
mowotlarx t1_jbce4ba wrote
>The city is doing everything it can to enforce safety rules on construction sites,
Not in this administration. DOB is down over 20% of staff and Eric Adams has pushed that agency to "cut red tape" by reducing or eliminating fines for violations. He's pushing low to no enforcement as a "customer service" practice. It is fully the city's fault for choosing to look the other way to benefit slumlords. He neutered the agencies tasked with making buildings safe.
HiFiGuy197 t1_jbczsy0 wrote
Hey, I think Edrogian did that to earthquake codes Turkey.
offwhitegrey t1_jbceo90 wrote
Major construction sites employ site safety managers that are basically 3rd party safety enforcement on ALL major buildings. While DOB itself is down on staffing that doesn’t mean safety isn’t being enforced on site via these 3rd party companies.
I am a licensed site safety manager on a major buildings project so I would know how things work
mowotlarx t1_jbe3frn wrote
>3rd party companies.
So, the construction site gets to choose their own company that they pay to "oversee" their work. And you expect them to actually act independently and keep everything in code? Sweet summer child...of course they aren't doing that at every site. They're directly paid by the people who need the go ahead to do whatever they want.
robul0n t1_jbf1ar0 wrote
You're kinda right but it goes deeper than that. Pretty much all building inspections are performed by third party companies by ownership. In theory, the inspectors and safety people are there to keep the contractor in check so the owner doesn't get sued to oblivion when someone dies. In practice, there are a lot of owners who act as their own GCs with little actual oversight.
It's even worse when you realize that a lot of building plans are drawn up by developer's in-house CAD people, and then rubber-stamped by a retired 80 year old architect or engineer that's basically sold their stamp.
mowotlarx t1_jbf2exz wrote
>rubber-stamped by a retired 80 year old architect or engineer that's basically sold their stamp.
There was a fascinating story about this awhile ago with an architect who claimed he didn't even know his name/stamp was being used to approve a massive hotel at Hudson Yards.
robul0n t1_jbf2qz9 wrote
Yep, and that was a high profile job, now imagine all the other low-rise buildings that fly under the radar.
rainzer t1_jbd4zas wrote
I'm not sure how your statement refutes anything he said though.
If a construction company isn't punished for not hiring a reputable 3rd party safety enforcement company because of this chucklefuck mayor's mandate, how would safety be enforced?
LeicaM6guy t1_jbegmq1 wrote
Maybe oversight shouldn’t be employed by the people they’re overseeing.
Olegovich t1_jbd59yk wrote
Lol downvoted for speaking the truth. I bet most people here don’t have any experience being on a construction site and sit in an office all day.
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