[deleted] t1_j9mwu5i wrote on February 23, 2023 at 2:52 AM

Reply to comment by IRequirePants in Parents fume over Governor Hochul’s charter school expansion proposal | amNewYork by barweis

[deleted]

IRequirePants t1_j9mzy9w wrote on February 23, 2023 at 3:16 AM

First off, it 100% depends on the specific charter school. It is not a monolith. And I can just easily point to the public school failures in NYC. At least if a student is learning a test, they are learning.

For many students, the alternative is a public school where they will learn nothing at all.

[deleted] t1_j9n0k6m wrote on February 23, 2023 at 3:20 AM

[deleted]

IRequirePants t1_j9n1m9e wrote on February 23, 2023 at 3:29 AM

> Thats the hottest worst take I have ever see

Because you have no concept of what the alternative is.

> Theres a huge movement going on in elite subrubab districts (of which I am part) to do LESS testing.

That movement is actually the dumbest things in education. For example, the UC system did a study on the SAT. They found it gave underrepresented students more opportunities and were a better indicator for college GPA than high school GPA.

No need to address the rest of your comment. Too many standardized tests is obviously bad, but having a core group of standardized tests (APs, SATs, Regents), is important for measuring student aptitude. Again, I point to this UC report.

Even if all they are learning is the test, they are learning something. The alternative is learning nothing at all for many of these kids.

[deleted] t1_j9n1xgd wrote on February 23, 2023 at 3:31 AM

[deleted]

IRequirePants t1_j9n2c58 wrote on February 23, 2023 at 3:35 AM

> The SAT didn’t help them, they were born with wealth and other advantages.

So you understand the issue. The SAT didn't help them, because they already have other advantages. Not every student is like that, especially in the NYC public school system.

The UC report shows SAT scores allowed more underrepresented groups of more diverse backgrounds into the system. And did so better than something more subjective, like high school GPA.

There is also this focus on the Ivies or other top schools that suburban districts have. For kids in urban charter schools, that is not the choice nor the focus.