Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9kxog0 wrote
Reply to comment by KaiDaiz in Parents fume over Governor Hochul’s charter school expansion proposal | amNewYork by barweis
You know you could easily accomplish this by funding public schools and giving them the tools to build such an environment, right?
WickhamAkimbo t1_j9l4ibu wrote
New York public schools have the highest spending per student in the country. You need specialized schools to handle kids with behavioral problems and that need much more individualized attention.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9lbbtf wrote
no shit? We’re the biggest city in the country. I’d be surprised if we didn’t spend that amount per student. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fund them further.
KaiDaiz t1_j9kz848 wrote
What you think NYC DOE been failing all these yrs...their failures is what driving the need for charters and parents desire to put them there vs their local failing unscreened school. We wont be having this discussion if they were doing such a great job
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9kzyt0 wrote
That’s such a counterintuitive method though.
Our schools are struggling, so instead of giving them some administrative TLC, we… throw the money at schools that aren’t statistically any better at giving kids a good education and aren’t accountable to anyone? All you’ve accomplished is made everything worse without any avenue for making things better.
KaiDaiz t1_j9l0g0j wrote
Our public schools are grossly overfunded by any budget standards and failing to deliver what parents want. Its funds are simply grossly mismanaged. Parents of all color want their kids tracked. Its not a question. Parents of all colors want that non performing student spot in a screened school for their own kid for a chance to shine and rise above their non screened local public option.
View it from parents perspective especially the poor underserving communities. Continue sending their kids to the failing non screened public they too came from or take their chances with the charter in their neighborhood. ofc many will want the later.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9l44wl wrote
Overfunded how? Did you forget we live in the largest metropolitan area in the country? I’d be more shocked if we didn’t have this amount of money for a student body this big. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t continually invest in it. Whatever happened to the free market with you people?
> View it from parents perspective especially the poor underserving communities. Continue sending their kids to the failing non screened public they too came from or take their chances with the charter in their neighborhood. ofc many will want the later.
Imagine those same people’s’ reactions when their kids come out no better and that they were just royally scammed through their tax dollars.
KaiDaiz t1_j9l4l64 wrote
our education budget is like 40% of our city budget... go to any alpha city...its absurdly high for the results we get from it. plenty of higher cost of living and larger metro areas around world spend way less vs we do % wise.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9lb4qt wrote
> our education budget is like 40% of our city budget...
Again, we’re the largest city in the country. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. If you’re still pissy about it, lobby the city to raise taxes and further fund the system.
> plenty of higher cost of living and larger metro areas around world spend way less vs we do % wise.
All of those places have national control of education though, so thanks for the advocacy for further federal control of education in this country 😉
KaiDaiz t1_j9lc1ld wrote
Largest does not justify the % allocated. Its natural for larger budget to spend more dollar wise but still within the typical % allocation of budget. Even among US cities, % wise is out of proportion.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9lf2pa wrote
Absolutely it does. The problem won’t be magically solved by cutting spending per student.
KaiDaiz t1_j9lg5uz wrote
If you have a large budget with most of the money not making to classrooms as evident by teachers buying supplies with their own money...its clearly a sign of mismanagement and bloat up top. The money is simply not properly allocated. Tossing more money into the pit is not going to make it any better. NYC DOE needs a reform and get their act together to provide and perform what parents want. If it takes diverting the best and promising students and funds into charters since more students are switching to them then yes the charter budget should increase for NYC DOE to realize they need to get their act together then so be it.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9m8yjf wrote
> If it takes diverting the best and promising students and funds into charters since more students are switching to them then yes the charter budget should increase for NYC DOE to realize they need to get their act together then so be it.
Lmao that’s never going to convince the DOE officials. They’re getting paid either way.
KaiDaiz t1_j9m9smf wrote
Charters and traditional public share the same overall education budget. As more students flock to charter...the NYC DOE share of the budget for public decrease. Less money = less jobs to support.
Also if we are to believe the charters cost per student at 18kish (bit too low imo) vs 28k+ for the reg public, they are more cost efficient
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9mb7ek wrote
Except they aren’t shown to do any better than public schools, so it’s not more efficient.
KaiDaiz t1_j9mc8em wrote
If we compare charter to unscreened public schools, charters will have them beat and possibly beat the screened publics in near future due to how weak the incoming classes now are due to admission changes.
Charter vs unscreen local are better comparison bc that's what's really available right now in disadvantage communities.
We already seeing more students flock to charters especially the asian demographics due to screened school admission changes.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_j9mda67 wrote
Lmao not even close to being true.
Those poor Asian students are going to get scammed
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