dumberthenhelooks t1_j85yoh4 wrote
Having nothing to do with COVID it’s still a good idea. A hospital is a vector of disease
ThreepointerFTW t1_j86lduh wrote
I guarantee you there’s going to be that ignorant idiot who will walk into the hospital refusing to wear a mask and claim that they are infringing his rights
mowotlarx t1_j88l9b0 wrote
When my mom was dying in the ICU after a fall last year, the same day she passed, I remember waiting in line at check in at the hospital in front of someone like that. There was a woman in an American flag hat (of course) behind me huffing and tsk-ing and she literally started GROWLING like a lion (I am not kidding). She said "grrr" out loud. The she started yelling about how HER RIGHTS were being infringed upon, making a massive scene. All because she had to wait in line 2 minutes to be checked in with a picture ID and put on a mask rather than walk right into a hospital without anybody bothering to know who she was.
I don't know what it is, but being asked to take basic precautions in a hospital apparently turns these people feral.
ThreepointerFTW t1_j88mb26 wrote
I’m sorry to hear about your mom. But your encounter is a great example of the craziness that goes on in this country.
Papa--Mochi t1_j8bzn95 wrote
The hospital will hold out for like a month, tops.
reddit-et-circenses t1_j87507y wrote
Bellevue is still doing temperature checks so not surprised. (Although I am pro mask permanently, personally.)
ohwhatsupmang t1_j8805mi wrote
pro mask permanatly ? lol there's gatta be another reason why other than covid and an irrational fear of infectious diseases. Idk why anyone would wanna wear masks everywhere for the rest of their life.
mowotlarx t1_j88ldjd wrote
...why do you think a hospital would be concerned about people walking in sick and infectious?
ohwhatsupmang t1_j8c0akm wrote
Working at a hosptial and going into a hoppital with a mask is something i could stand by forever. i think it should be the norm. but Everywhere else in the rest of your daily life? idk.
FiascoBarbie t1_j890h0z wrote
Yeah, a fear of infectious diesease in a hospital where there are bunch of sick and immunocompromised persons with complicated problems. That is totally nuts.
It is like asking someone in food prep to wash their hands after going to the bathroom even when there is no longer a hepatitis outbreak. Like , freaking insane, am I right ?
reddit-et-circenses t1_j89cjfx wrote
In hospitals with germs, yes. Dentists didn’t wear gloves until the AIDS epidemic.
ohwhatsupmang t1_j8c0ju1 wrote
in hospitals with germs absolutely.. but everywhere else? forever?
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FiascoBarbie t1_j890mg9 wrote
In Hospitals there should have always been mask mandates and there should still be.
mowotlarx t1_j892fr0 wrote
In a hospital setting, it shouldn't be left up to individual choice. You are surrounded by other people. Hospitals should do what's best for the entirety of their patients and staff, not bend over backwards for ignorant brats who don't care about anyone but themselves.
Labiologie t1_j8aevn6 wrote
That’s exactly what they said…
Papa--Mochi t1_j88f14c wrote
I understand that you mean well. Unfortunately a recent Cochrane Review of gold-standard RCTs showed no strong evidence they work, which is likely what led to state lifting the requirement.
FiascoBarbie t1_j890vzn wrote
This would be why your surgeons have never worn masks. I do hope your next health care provider assiduously reads and adheres to this tripe
Papa--Mochi t1_j896g2u wrote
I can’t believe that three years into this, there are still people like you who think surgeons wear masks too … stop the spread of airborne respiratory viruses.
This was debunked in the simplest possible terms by April 2020.
FiascoBarbie t1_j89b5us wrote
Meta-analysis (one of many) https://www.journal.acorn.org.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1105&context=jpn
Obviously not only airborne infections.
And just for the heck of it
Review of the efficacy of masks in general
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33431650/
And for kicks and giggles some of the other studies. (You can pick which of these you think have be “de bunked”, although I can pretty much bet this is the last we will hear from you)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34041970/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32473312/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32579379/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35105851/
Papa--Mochi t1_j89ywh8 wrote
>Meta-analysis (one of many) https://www.journal.acorn.org.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1105&context=jpn
Ouch. You fell at the first hurdle, here:
"Traditionally there are two reasons for staff to wear surgical masks in the
OR: firstly, to protect surgical sites from microorganisms transferred
from the faces and respiratory tract of scrubbed staff and, secondly, to
protect health care professionals from sprays and splashes of patients’
blood and body fluids during surgery.
>And for kicks and giggles some of the other studies. (You can pick which of these you think have be “de bunked”, although I can pretty much bet this is the last we will hear from you)
These threadbare models just don't cut it, three years into the pandemic.
The comprehensive review of gold-standard RCTs is far more compelling: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
Its conclusion? The real-world evidence supporting masks is utterly threadbare.
This always seemed obvious to some. After all, we had wave after wave after wave of Covid throughout our mask mandate era.
Alas, it's good to have it finally confirmed.
The dark times of mandates, masks and lockdowns have been discredited forever. They will never return.
Gozillasbday t1_j8e7xmz wrote
Did you even read this? It's a flawed study that admits people didn't adhere to mask wearing.
"The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement.
There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect"
Gozillasbday t1_j8ducbx wrote
This is entirely untrue. You're spreading anti science misinformation. You did this in other posts too. It's just a fuckin mask get over it.
eekamuse t1_j88k258 wrote
Who's that, Johnny Cochran?
savantdota t1_j87f2mi wrote
Before covid in the hospice setting, you were shunned and were told never to wear a mask unless the patient had an airborne/droplet precaution. Crazy how the science changes.
AceContinuum t1_j87h6at wrote
>Before covid in the hospice setting, you were shunned and were told never to wear a mask unless the patient had an airborne/droplet precaution. Crazy how the science changes.
The old "no mask" policy wasn't based on science. It was based on hospital executives' notion (not backed by any actual evidence, to my knowledge) that seeing masked staff would somehow frighten patients:
>"I'm being yelled at. I'm being told to take [the mask] off. I'm being told that I'm scaring patients and that I'm scaring other people.' We've had people who had their jobs threatened."
There has never been any scientific reason to not mask in a medical setting where, by definition, ill and immunocompromised people congregate in a dense, indoor environment.
ThreepointerFTW t1_j88n0ps wrote
Science is ever changing. Once new data or evidence comes out, it’s our job to adapt.
What we fail as a country in our response to COVID was entangle politics and hate.
Labiologie t1_j8aff08 wrote
It’s crazy how science changes, when the whole purpose of science is to change when new evidence appears.
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