Submitted by perspicatic t3_11auh9f in nyc
jumbod666 t1_j9u8cur wrote
This will ultimately have a ripple effect on the prices of food and everything that has to be delivered by truck into NYC.
EatingAssCuresCancer t1_j9uemj8 wrote
Shouldn’t the decrease in traffic improve the efficiency of distribution to the point where congestion pricing is evened out? Besides, an extra $20 on an entire truck probably carrying a hundred times more than that worth of goods probably makes just a dent.
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j9uisqf wrote
Yes. Making the city more friendly to logistical/delivery vehicles will improve speed of delivery, as well as vastly improve emergency services.
Entry-Level-Cowboy t1_j9umw20 wrote
$20 per day. And that’s if they don’t leave the area. If a driver leaves and has to come back for a customer that opens later, that’s another fee. Logistics isn’t cut and dry usually.
CensorshipIsTheDevil t1_j9uztb8 wrote
It is tiered, so it well more than $20. Come on, you have to be smarter than this. It is a cash grab that will fix nothing. A hidden tax.
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drpvn t1_j9uqjma wrote
Lol if you think congestion pricing is going to eliminate gridlock.
TeamMisha t1_j9w8tyi wrote
Eliminate no, but congestion can sort of be exponential, whereby once you hit a level of service of F, even just a few extra cars can cause massive added delay/queues, so the projected goal of 10% may actually go a long way in at least improving flow around the CBD. There will likely remain troubled areas such as near the Holland Tunnel that just have so much congestion that it would take more than 10% reduction to make a sizeable improvement, but we'll see!
George4Mayor86 t1_j9ubwpp wrote
$20 divided over every tomato in a tractor trailer truck seems pretty reasonable to men
footnotefour t1_j9ugic7 wrote
I’d guess to women and others as well
CensorshipIsTheDevil t1_j9v0aus wrote
Come on, at least know what you are talking about. For tractor trailers it will be well more than $20.
TeamMisha t1_j9w9rod wrote
It depends, under toll Scenario A, the one with no exemptions, peak large trucks with E-ZPass rate is $27.60. Under the worst scenario with the most exemptions, the max toll is $82 (with E-ZPass). You can see more on Page 878 of the Environmental Assessment Appendix, Appendix 2E, here: https://new.mta.info/document/93451
CensorshipIsTheDevil t1_j9wjv66 wrote
They want it for the money, they’re going for the big one 100%. Don’t be stupid
TeamMisha t1_j9wkm47 wrote
I think you misunderstand. The scenarios all result in the legislated revenue of $1 billion. The MTA does not gain or lose anything based on which scenario they choose, they are all designed around recovering $1b. The end goal is not to maximize revenue, they forecasted and created these toll schemes using three goals: Reduce vehicle miles travelled by 5%, reduce inbound volume to the CBD by 10%, and meet the required revenue stipulated by the legislation. The scenarios will all vary how much the vehicle goals are met, but the end result is based around the required revenue. The biggest toll scenario is not necessarily the best option, that's why they came up with many scenarios.
CensorshipIsTheDevil t1_j9wpue5 wrote
Ok, you obviously don’t know New York politics. Their one and only goal is to extract as much revenue from their constituents as possible. End of story
TeamMisha t1_j9wuaal wrote
I don't think it's the end of the story when that doesn't seem to be the MTA's goal with the study. If that were the case they would have studied more aggressive scenarios. Who is "they" in your proposition exactly?
CensorshipIsTheDevil t1_j9wwyqa wrote
The government. From the MTA to the city council to our senators. It’s across the board, they want more of our money to buy themselves power
TeamMisha t1_j9wxif9 wrote
Hmm alright then
huebomont t1_j9um9et wrote
If it means less congestion getting in the way of delivery trucks it will probably make them cheaper.
mojogogo123 t1_j9v2eji wrote
No, delivery charges will be added to each delivery for places like restaurants. Do you really think companies will just eat that cost when they can spin it into a way to generate additional revenue? They will pass it on to their customers (restaurants in this case) and then that will get passed on to everyone that’s eating out. Then people will complain about it
huebomont t1_j9v61rc wrote
Maybe they'll be assholes about it, but that's different than congestion pricing actually costing them more. It will save them money. Whether they pass that along at all has nothing to do with congestion pricing.
mojogogo123 t1_j9v7ydu wrote
It’s a way to expand margins. They will save money with fewer cars on the street, but they will absolutely pass the congestion charges on to customers. My family is in the restaurant business. They’ve already been given notice it will happen from some of their vendors.
ManhattanRailfan t1_j9utzeu wrote
If you think this increases food costs, wait until you hear how much more expensive cars make literally everything from housing to bread.
TeamMisha t1_j9wa8ik wrote
I wouldn't be so sure, under Toll Scenario A, the cost for a tractor trailer paying with E-ZPass would be just $27.60 during peak hours., and about $20 for single unit (box) trucks. That isn't exactly a disaster. I imagine small vendors will pass on that cost to customers, but larger ones potentially not, since companies like Amazon want people ordering more and more and thrive on their free delivery charge for larger orders. It will really depend on the final scenario chosen, Scenario F, for example, the peak large truck cost with E-ZPass would be $82, that's obviously a bit more. More info on Page 878 here: https://new.mta.info/document/93451
Entry-Level-Cowboy t1_j9umhuy wrote
I’m gonna share your downvotes and agree. Most of the congestion is taxis/ubers but they are exempt from the fees proposed. Majority of parking is for commercial vehicles making deliveries and repairs in the area. Increasing operating costs will trickle down to consumers.
I really believe that fee should be commuter cars only. They can’t legally park unless it’s a private garage. Forcing them to take public transportation… which is where these fees are going.
jm14ed t1_j9uoqnp wrote
Ubers and taxi rides are tolled in every scenario, so not sure what you are talking about. They have also been tolled for every pick up and drop off below 96th street for several years.
drpvn t1_j9uqtnt wrote
He means that for-hire vehicles will not be hit with a congestion fee for every fare they take into or out of the congestion zone. That is total bullshit and it’s the main reason why this will have little impact on congestion.
Entry-Level-Cowboy t1_j9uowx9 wrote
They’re tolled like any other vehicle right now. Are you talking about tlc fees?
jm14ed t1_j9uqws2 wrote
Entry-Level-Cowboy t1_j9usc5w wrote
Thank you for sharing, I never heard of this. But it’s not exactly a toll. More like a fee..on tlc vehicles.
Also how do you quote something to put in your replies?
jm14ed t1_j9utevv wrote
It is by definition a toll, since it’s a fee to use particular road(s).
The quote something you put ‘>>’ before the text.
zettajon t1_ja3kd8s wrote
You put only one > not two. Two is for nesting quotes. See:
>>An original comment.
>A reply to the original comment
My reply to the reply.
drpvn t1_j9usv78 wrote
It’s not remotely comparable. It’s a $2.75 surcharge.
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