huebomont t1_j7mwro0 wrote
Reply to comment by flightwaves in 'Surprise' in Canada as NYC buses migrants to border by esporx
most new yorkers didn’t start out their lives here.
building new housing as a general concept is explicitly about new people coming in. if no one were coming in, a housing shortage wouldn’t develop. building housing helps everyone. you can’t do it for some people without affecting others, i don’t even know how that would work.
flightwaves t1_j7mx68r wrote
Your lack of understanding is crazy. Even if you started building housing now, it would take years just to house our own homeless let alone new migrants. Stop letting your fantasy land cloud your judgement.
huebomont t1_j7mxubq wrote
I completely understand how much housing we need. Which is why we should build it and should have been building it for decades. What are you arguing in favor of exactly?
flightwaves t1_j7my2sn wrote
I’m arguing we should stop taking migrants. We don’t have the space for them now and won’t for years as we should prioritize our existing homeless population.
What are you arguing for? Keep bringing them in and housing them in $500 per night hotels?
huebomont t1_j7mymv1 wrote
We’re not “bringing them in”. They’re coming here or being shipped here. I’m arguing for building housing (a long term solution) and expanding shelters (a short term one.)
We don’t need to house these people indefinitely for free but it’s ridiculous to say we don’t have the resources to provide infrastructure to give them a landing place for a week or two while they figure out their final landing place. These people aren’t coming here expecting free room and board for life, they have a plan and then some asshole in Texas ships them here and they don’t know where they are or how to get where they wanted to go. We can give them a place to regroup and also work on having enough housing so that they can afford the rent if they want to stay, along with everyone else who wants to live here.
If you think that’s fantasyland then I’m not sure what kind of positive vision for the city you possibly have because it really isn’t that imaginative.
flightwaves t1_j7myu0l wrote
> These people aren’t coming here expecting free room and board for life, they have a plan and then some asshole in Texas ships them here and they don’t know where they are or how to get where they wanted to go.
Source...
huebomont t1_j7myz6z wrote
dude, catch up on the news, starting with the article this whole comment section is about.
flightwaves t1_j7mzjlx wrote
Nah you keep with the news. These people are making asylum claims but very few of them actually qualify for asylum. They're coming for work and to send money home which itself isn't a bad thing except we don't got the space to house them and we can't keep opening up shelters for them.
th3guitarman t1_j7n8to1 wrote
What about all those empty office spaces that business owners are so desperate to fill with workers who want to stay home?
What about all the empty lots they left unlisted to keep rent prices high during and after the pandemic?
There is space right now, actually. Just no will.
flightwaves t1_j7nb9my wrote
Okay but then you have to feed, provide medical care, give their kids room in our schools etc.. where does it end?
th3guitarman t1_j7nexmp wrote
We should and could also do this for our own citizens.
Also, people do things. So, they would eventually join the local economy.
"Where does it end" they aren't the mouse you gave a cookie, they're other people.
Cyril_Clunge t1_j7n6hwz wrote
Yeah, I arrived in New York to earn a living wage and not to be exploited.
huebomont t1_j7n9qnq wrote
glad you made it here! don't pull up the ladder behind you.
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