GrapplerBJJ t1_j9yptla wrote on February 25, 2023 at 3:29 PM

Reply to comment by WorthPrudent3028 in About 90% of drivers searched or arrested by the NYPD in 2022 were Black or Latino by mowotlarx

I thought we all know better to adjust per rate. PoC are significantly more in poverty than white people. If just scraping by is lower middle class, then sure. And what race Dominates lower middle class?/More than likely, they can't afford to pay tolls and their bills more? Would it be Latino or white? You're really being obtuse here. Usually, this conversation would have attempted to shift blame back to the "system" that there's some form of malpractice at this point and not focus on statistics. But that's the reality of most of these studies, at least from what I've read, they're all "inconclusive," and most of our data comes from institutions and their actions, not the perpetrators. There's no form of document that details the specific small details of what a driver did that might of caught an officers attention. Undocumented infractions, like swerving the lane, speeding and etc, prior to arrest. All we have is a pattern that, for the most part, can be cited back to the reality of classicism and can infer that the disparity could be due to racism

WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9yylaq wrote on February 25, 2023 at 4:29 PM

Who is obtuse? What is the rate of car ownership in NYC and urban NJ? Poor people aren't driving around much here. This isn't Mississippi. A car is an unnecessary luxury item here.

GrapplerBJJ t1_j9z2h25 wrote on February 25, 2023 at 4:55 PM

Not if you're tied down to working in the city, plenty of working class people who live IN the city have cars. You may not see it from transplants from other states but New York is still the Mecca for work. If we can understand that there's a definite population that exists between poor and middle class, who can own a car out of necessity/want (driving kids to and from programs, traveling out of state) but are still living pay check to pay check....we can circle back to original point. Who's more likely to not want to pay that toll bill? 🙄. A population that's more likely to be poor or well off?

WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9z6q8t wrote on February 25, 2023 at 5:23 PM

The disconnect is that you keep switching to the word poor. Working class people in and around NYC aren't poor. There's a 15 dollar minimum wage and under the table work usually pays more per hour than that. If you are driving to get to work in NYC, you are not poor. If you were poor, you would take transit because it's much cheaper.

You think day laborers are poor? They can pull in up to 80k a year and pay no taxes. Now if you work retail for $15 an hour and can only get 20 hours a week, you may be poor, but you also aren't driving to McD's to work that job.

GrapplerBJJ t1_j9z3ejx wrote on February 25, 2023 at 5:01 PM

Like it's crazy to me, being Dominican and being in the heights, you're coming to me crazy like I don't see the Dominicans in dyckman with tinted out cars, fake plates doing w.e they want and always seeing Karen with her 70% tint rated windows without a care in the world driving around the boogie side of Inwood. You really think white people give a fuck about a toll that much when they live in Westchester or Warwick or some shit? Earning 130k? All I ever hear is them finding ways to "not work" in the city.

WorthPrudent3028 t1_j9z5dul wrote on February 25, 2023 at 5:14 PM

130k? Lol. 130k is wealthy. It isn't lower middle class. And all white people are rich and live in Westchester? The trades are full of working class white people. So are the NYPD and FDNY. Lol if you think every white person is Donald Trump Jr.

By the way, black median income in Queens is higher than white median income and has been since the mid 90s.

https://apnews.com/article/90f4279c3a4098e031dbaff8a2b76764

https://www.planetizen.com/node/21423

Let me put it differently. The Dominicans who have those cars aren't poor. Neither are you. Poor people aren't scamming tolls. They're jumping turnstiles.