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myassholealt t1_j8y8wk5 wrote

I don't see why the government is allowed to even fund anything that intentionally discriminates. Can't this be a lawsuit in the making?

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spoil_of_the_cities t1_j8ymlsd wrote

You got it kinda backwards. It's the gov't that's not allowed to discriminate.

The gov't has decided that private groups may use the public streets for parades with the proper permits. The gov't can adopt neutral requirements for those permits, but it cannot adopt religious requirements. The group authorized to hold the parade can decide who marches.

The gov't also allows private groups to hold events in parks. Let's say a Jewish group got a permit for a Jewish festival and invited others to put up tables and tents for activities, merchandise, etc. The Jewish group could refuse a table to a Christian group that focused on converting Jews. If that Christian group applied to the gov't for their own park event permit, the gov't could not refuse them because of their beliefs.

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_Maxolotl t1_j8z23p2 wrote

It wouldn't be a religious requirement.

The Pope doesn't exclude gay people from Catholicism or Catholic Church properties. And he's infallible according to Catholicism. So the cavemen who run this parade can't claim legitimately their bigotry is based on religion unless they want to tell us they're not Catholic.

They can't claim it's about Irishness either. The head of Irish government is gay, FFS.

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spoil_of_the_cities t1_j8zqk58 wrote

OK so here's the nuance: the gov't under secularism cannot refer to the dictates of the Pope. If the Pope is for allowing gay people in the parade but this particular Catholic is not, this internal dispute is none of the gov'ts business.

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_Maxolotl t1_j8zrz5o wrote

OK, so the Community Board should have a new meeting, and petition the city to pull Larry Cummings' parade permit because he's a huge douche, and that they all agree that he's a huge douche, for reasons completely unrelated to religion.

Then Adams can say "you're right, what a douche," and give the parade permit to some Irish American homosexuals who we all agree are cool for reasons completely unrelated to religion.

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spoil_of_the_cities t1_j8ztf10 wrote

And then this dude sues and says "obviously this is actually because of my religious belief". I dunno who wins

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_Maxolotl t1_j8zxxnr wrote

I'm old enough to remember when Trump explicitly declared a "Muslim Ban", had that ruled unconstitutional, and then came back with a ban on persons from (list of a bunch of countries that by sheer coincidence are majority Muslim), and won.

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OneYungGun t1_j94poae wrote

The government is not allowed to rule on who is or is not a true Catholic.

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myassholealt t1_j8yri3b wrote

No. I have it as it is in the article posted.

When private organizations want public services like NYPD officers working security at their event, private organizations hire them and pay for them via the NYPD Paid Detail Program. Here, the city is picking up that expense for this private organization to hold their event.

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spoil_of_the_cities t1_j8yuwka wrote

If the city has a policy of picking up that expense for parades, it can't pick and choose based on religion

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_Maxolotl t1_j8zba2x wrote

They're Catholic. The pope is their infallible leader. He's doesn't exclude gays from attending catholic events.

So their choice to exclude gay people isn't about their religion. They're going against their own religion in order to be bigots.

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BraveSirZaphod t1_j8zh3q7 wrote

I wonder, if another, more inclusive organization, filed for conflicting permits on the same streets at the same time, could the city opt to choose the inclusive parade under some ostensibly secular basis?

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Luke90210 t1_j8xytiv wrote

Its common knowledge the St Patrick's Parade in Dublin, Ireland stopped excluding people years ago. Seems that should be the standard NYC should live up to. If not, then NYC Human Rights Law should be as taxpayer money is funding it.

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bangbangthreehunna t1_j8xzmah wrote

You think they would do the same with J'ouvert and the West Indian Day parade due to the violence?

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Gozillasbday t1_j8yd5wl wrote

Is the parade run by bigots who exclude specific groups of people? If not no.

They could help more with security though.

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spoil_of_the_cities t1_j8xnlq4 wrote

Not supposed to discriminate in public accommodations because a religious groups' beliefs differ from state-established religious beliefs

Hell, we're not even supposed to have state-established religious beliefs in the first place

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mikey-likes_it t1_j8ylw71 wrote

Isn't it just like one guy in SI? Why not just get rid of him?

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anarchyx34 t1_j91mw0v wrote

It’s not an elected position. The parade is organized by some NY state Irish catholic fraternity club. This guy is just the official of this chapter and they’re probably fine with what he’s doing.

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[deleted] t1_j8yegz4 wrote

The torch was passed and the languages changed from irish, yiddish, and italian to spanish, arabic, hindi, korean, and chinese. In that time america matured sexually too. These people can adapt and embrace, or fuck off.

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Suorc0 t1_j8yqjze wrote

And you can see the effects of that kind of passing of the torch

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_Maxolotl t1_j8z3487 wrote

Is there any legal reason that the city can't just give the parade permit to a group of Irish Americans who aren't human garbage like the one dude who's in charge of it now?

Just give the permit to someone else, don't say why. Pretty simple.

Or is the Archie Bunker dipshit who's got the permit now somehow entitled by law to get it again every year until he finally croaks?

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Rkozlow t1_j8xiw43 wrote

Get rid of all parades. They fucking blow. Give all that money to actually do something beneficial for the people who live here. Mental health, crumbling roads and subways, homelessness. Nah, let’s spend millions on people walking down the road instead!

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Krudark t1_j8yw5ri wrote

Downvoted for having common sense. Fuck parades.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j8xtavv wrote

>Although the Staten Island Parade Committee blames the exclusion on the teachings of the Catholic Church, the New York City St. Patrick’s Day Parade in Manhattan ended a two-decade ban of LGBTQ+ groups in 2014, while parades in Boston and Dublin have done the same. And a St. Patrick’s Parade in the Bronx last year for the first time allowed an LGBTQ+ group to march openly.

The church actually teaches the opposite of hatred and exclusion, but the delusions of moral superiority and righteous attitude provided fertile grounds for bigots to hide and fester there for centuries.

It's surprising to see this kind of old-school bigotry still today.

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I_AM_TARA OP t1_j8yfv8u wrote

Apparently this whole thing is the result of just one guy. Even the local politicians have backed out of the parade because of his insistence on bigotry.

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_Maxolotl t1_j8z2dy8 wrote

Including Borelli or not?

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geronimoquince t1_j8yn9ww wrote

What does being attracted to other men have to do with an Irish heritage parade?

Not everything has to be about them. They're just a bunch of drama queens.

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mowotlarx t1_j8yxosq wrote

>What does being attached to other men

...you do realize it's not just men who are LGBTQ+ right? And if this is a parade about Irish heritage as you say, you realize there are gay Irish people?

I swear to God, turn off Fox News and read a book.

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geronimoquince t1_j8yyuy8 wrote

There are also Irish people who are attracted to Latinas with big butts.

I don't see them demanding a parade float.

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_Maxolotl t1_j8z2n70 wrote

The people who want to march have Irish heritage. And they're gay.

You know who else is Irish and gay?

The Taoiseach (prime minister) of Ireland.

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Bma1500 t1_j939ok2 wrote

So? The Irish prime minister could march in this parade as well

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geronimoquince t1_j8z2wg3 wrote

Again. What does being gay have to do with Irish heritage?

There's a time for gay pride. I believe they get an entire month.

Not everything has to be about them.

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_Maxolotl t1_j8z3ac7 wrote

They're Irish and the drooling cro-magnon who has the parade permit is excluding them even though they're Irish, just because they're gay.

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geronimoquince t1_j8z3fek wrote

They aren't being excluded. They can attend just like everyone else.

They aren't being allowed to make an Irish heritage parade about gay pride.

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_Maxolotl t1_j8zb0nm wrote

They want to march because they have Irish heritage.
They're being excluded because this Opus Dei jackass Lukashenko lookalike is bigoted against gay people.

But you know that, and you're talking around it because you want them excluded, because you're trash.

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GoRangers5 t1_j8zs2fl wrote

LGBT people aren't banned from marching, only the pride flag is banned, the same way the pride parade bans police officers, but only if they are in uniform.

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Suorc0 t1_j8yqeut wrote

Hahahahahah

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In_fact_its_me t1_j8zjt3r wrote

“Won’t somebody please think about the children”

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Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j91a58p wrote

Of course there have been LGBTQ Irish Americans. No one is keeping them from marching.

What does being a member of the LGBTQ community have to do with celebrating the Irish American contribution (political, governmental, military, community, cultural) to NYC or America? Is it somehow entwined? Why a separate banner?

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