They still aren't honoring the man's wishes, ghouls.

He hasn't complained.

It's quite likely he doesn't even know.

Was Hunter an atheist?

Man, not only did he dread becoming a museum exhibit, he feared one particular anatomist would snag his body, and that's exactly what happened 👀

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I fail to see the relevance.

Once a British museum steals something, they never give it back.

For any of you that don't know, back in the 1700's people believed that your body had to remain intact, because when Jesus returns your body will rise up from it's grave "as is". Some people still believe it today but back then it was a waaaay more common belief. Mangling criminal's bodies was OK because that just meant more punishment during the resurrection (or something like that). It's one reason why there are laws against "defiling" corpses and why they quartered people after they were already dead from the drawing. Even though he wanted to be buried at sea, it was in a lead coffin: he wanted his body left intact.

So this wasn't just against his "wishes" it was against his beliefs and religion, and Hunter knew it.

Fun fact: this issue isn't about what a dead man wants, it's about powerful people exploiting the powerless

Fun fact: you need to learn what fun facts are. Your comment wasn't very fun at all.

The integrity of the body after death could arise from religious concerns. Atheists notably disrespect those.

Depends.

Being a rich, narcissistic asshole... exploiting the powerless can be real fun for ya. That's a fact.

Oh puhlease, you are saying like the religious don't regularly come up with all sorts of nonsense to defile the corpses of the dead, especially if the dead were their enemies.

You are just an asshole desperate for any thin straw to take potshots at atheists, let's not pretend otherwise.

The injunctions against it are pretty strong, even if they are broken sometimes. Certainly Hunter's actions are egregious. I think you're just an asshole atheist who thinks her shit doesn't stink.

This just makes me want to be the circulatory system exhibit at BodyWorld.

It's Nov. 10th now. There is a circulatory system walking through the kitchen.

This persisted at least into WWI, I remember reading a notification to a family of their son's death after a shell had landed in his trench noting "his injuries were wholly internal". Somehow I doubt being directly hit by artillery left much of anything.

If the only reason you aren’t mutilating corpses is because god told you too, you are a shitty person. Most of us don’t need a god to tell us to be good, but obviously you aren’t that developed yet

The religious proscriptions are based in moral considerations as much as any other. Your vices are ignorance and condescension. You won't persuade people to your way of thinking by those. Rather you'll just alienate them.

The injuries and damage was everywhere, just like his internals.

Lmao. You’re taking like Christians don’t have a well established history of just throwing those they considered lesser into mass graves, including children. I don’t think those “strong injunctions” are half as strong as you’re pretending.

Actual source since you didn’t provide any to back up your dumbass claim about atheists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/world/canada/mass-graves-residential-schools.html

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/11/1098276649/u-s-report-details-burial-sites-linked-to-boarding-schools-for-native-americans

Kinda looks like the Christians are the ones who more commonly desecrate bodies to me. I eagerly await your examples of atheist groups doing it at the same scale across the world, you should be easily able to find some based on what you’ve claimed so far if it’s such a problem.

But I’m guessing you won’t respond to this

I have no interest in persuading people into atheism, especially considering that I am not an atheist myself

If the bodies in those mass graves remained untouched then there was no desecration. Being in a mass grave isn't the kind of abuse Byrne feared. Hunter's disrespect of Byrne's wishes for his own body is quite clear. I just simply asked if Hunter was atheist. I think now, that I've received so many defensive replies, that he could well have been so. Being an atheist doesn't mean one can't be a moral person, but it is no guarantee that one is one either. And it is certainly in my experience likely that atheists will abuse theists. The behaviour of some of the people who responded proves it.

So, what you're saying is the you're just an average contrarian. That's not very interesting.

In what sense am I being a contrarian?

You've pretty much disagreed with anything I've said, even to the extent of adopting opposing perspectives on an issue. You probably think you're being very clever, but you're just being obnoxious. Goodbye.

Since everyone in these comments is disagreeing with you, I’d say you’re more the contrarian

That's a childish sophistry.

> If the bodies in those mass graves remained untouched then there was no desecration.

Weird hill to die on lol. Like sure we’re just going to completely ignore your wishes and the rituals of your religion and throw you in a mass grave like garbage, where maybe they might identify a bone fragment from you. It’s totally not desecration though because some guy on Reddit said so. Like even though you’re Christian, other religions have very explicit death rites, and ignoring those is absolutely desecration to that person and throwing them in a mass grave is dehumanizing on top of it, even if to you the only thing that matters is the integrity of the body

> Being in a mass grave isn’t the kind of abuse Byrne feared. Hunter’s disrespect of Byrne’s wishes for his own body is quite clear.

So? I’m sure some of those buried in the mass grave by Christians did fear that they would be treated like garbage after they died and probably had clear wishes for what they wanted done with their bodies as well. The Christian’s disrespect for those they shoved in mass graves is quite clear.

> I just simply asked if Hunter was atheist. I think now, that I’ve received so many defensive replies, that he could well have been so.

You asked and then when someone asked how that was relevant chose to double down and claim that atheists were more likely to desecrate bodies. That’s not just “asking” so much as your own gross opinion. And so it’s not a defensive reply to call that out as being a a gross opinion not actually based on anything. It’s also funny you think you can draw the conclusion of a historical figures religion based on people arguing against your own dumbass opinion. But critical thinking and religion don’t really get along so no surprise there I guess lol.

> Being an atheist doesn’t mean one can’t be a moral person, but it is no guarantee that one is one either.

Kinda like Christians right? I’ve clearly shown they’re hardly moral, mass graves and all that

> And it is certainly in my experience likely that atheists will abuse theists.

There are religious countries today you can be killed in for being an atheist. There isn’t an atheist country you can be killed in for being Christian or any other religion. Its hilarious you can seriously type that out and think it’s anything close to true.

I’m also pretty sure based on how you write that any abuse you’re receiving from atheists is based on your personality and not religion lol. Or you’re just one of the many Christians with a persecution fetish. 🤷‍♀️

I'm sure you've got yourself all convinced about how rightgeous your discourse is. You are assuming way too much about me for which you have no evidence. Your fifteen minutes are up.

> You are assuming way too much about me for which you have no evidence.

You provided all the evidence I need to show you’re a bigot when you made baseless accusations against a group you don’t like and then proceeded to keep repeating it while providing no evidence to support it beyond your own opinions. Pretty easy evidence when it’s shit you yourself wrote lol

I’m still waiting for any actual evidence from you about your theories of atheists widely desecrating bodies or being theist haters, or can you just admit that’s your own bigotry?

> Your fifteen minutes are up.

You can leave whenever you want 🤷‍♀️ god knows I won’t stop you lol

It’s funny you think writing that will stop me responding and calling out how toxic you are.

You can go now though, I won’t bother reading whatever you manage to drool on your keyboard (Haha see I can do it too!)

Proof? Source? Or you just a bigot 🤔

You're ignorant. So ignorant you're not even aware. You think that's your rightgeousness, but it isn't it's just your juvenile vanity. Feel welcome to have the last word. It's above my pay grade here to deal with a numbskull like you.

> You’re ignorant. So ignorant you’re not even aware.

What happened to my 15 mins being done?

And Yes, that is what the word ignorant means lol. Thanks for defining it twice. You still apparently fail to see how you’re the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. But bigots are normally pretty slow

> You think that’s your rightgeousness, but it isn’t it’s just your juvenile vanity.

Damn dude, why does everything you write sound so neckbeardy? Like you won’t respond to any actual point and then write junk like this to make responding basically pointless. Just insults with no substance but I guess that’s all you really have besides toxic opinions. I’m hardly being righteousness or vain by saying you were being pretty bigoted, which you were.

> Feel welcome to have the last word. It’s above my pay grade here to deal with a numbskull like you.

Cool, I will.

I really should have realized it wasn’t worth commenting further after you showed your true colors saying intentional mass graves weren’t a desecration to the bodies there. Its a great look. Really suits you

Bye 👋

Beg pardon? Religion is not necessary for respecting others, and religious people are not immune to being shitty people.

I’m an atheist, and I think that what was done was awful. Even if he doesn’t know and never will know what happened to his body, it’s a complete lack of respect shown towards the man. He was treated as a specimen and freak show, not a human being.

Again, religious belief are not necessary to be good person, and religious people are just as capable of being assholes as non religious people.

And being an atheist is no guarantee of morality either. I n my experience here online atheists love to disrespect and abuse theists. Certainly Hunter believed he had some sort of right to try to contravene Byrnes stated last wishes and to try to own his body as if he were merely a piece of personal property, all in the name of science, which is often quite antagonistic to religion. Feel welcome to defend atheists all you want, but you're not going to convince me Hunter wasn't an evil person.

Nobody claimed that it was. But you made the assumption that Hunter was an atheist because he did something that was disrespectful and dehumanizing. Being an asshole and a scientist doesn’t make someone an atheist; there are many people who are both while also being religious. I’ve met a few of them in my time.

The only thing that makes an atheist an atheist is a lack of belief in a God or gods.

I did not assume it at all. If I had made a declarative sentence, stating that he definitely was an atheist that would have been an assumption. I asked if he were an atheist precisely because I did not want to assume it. And no one ever answered that question. Everyone assumed they needed to defend atheism and villainize and insult me personally as a theist. That kind of unneccessary defensiveness strongly suggests I may have been right. Apparently however the institute still thinks it morally acceptable to keep Byrnes skeleton, even knowing that he really didn't want them to have it. That kind of moral blind spot has to be the result of some kind of ideology.

Concussion damage could kill him and leave his body intact

Only condemned prisoners in China need apply

ugh, I’d forgotten about that.

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