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MakesCakesEatsMud t1_j458axe wrote
Once a British museum steals something, they never give it back.
GetlostMaps t1_j447hue wrote
He hasn't complained.
It's quite likely he doesn't even know.
taptapper t1_j45f6xh wrote
Fun fact: this issue isn't about what a dead man wants, it's about powerful people exploiting the powerless
GetlostMaps t1_j45g2db wrote
Fun fact: you need to learn what fun facts are. Your comment wasn't very fun at all.
LouPoh t1_j45xkn5 wrote
Depends.
Being a rich, narcissistic asshole... exploiting the powerless can be real fun for ya. That's a fact.
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rivvn t1_j44h5sp wrote
Man, not only did he dread becoming a museum exhibit, he feared one particular anatomist would snag his body, and that's exactly what happened đ
taptapper t1_j45eoie wrote
For any of you that don't know, back in the 1700's people believed that your body had to remain intact, because when Jesus returns your body will rise up from it's grave "as is". Some people still believe it today but back then it was a waaaay more common belief. Mangling criminal's bodies was OK because that just meant more punishment during the resurrection (or something like that). It's one reason why there are laws against "defiling" corpses and why they quartered people after they were already dead from the drawing. Even though he wanted to be buried at sea, it was in a lead coffin: he wanted his body left intact.
So this wasn't just against his "wishes" it was against his beliefs and religion, and Hunter knew it.
WraithCadmus t1_j46uyyn wrote
This persisted at least into WWI, I remember reading a notification to a family of their son's death after a shell had landed in his trench noting "his injuries were wholly internal". Somehow I doubt being directly hit by artillery left much of anything.
draculamilktoast t1_j47jcnh wrote
The injuries and damage was everywhere, just like his internals.
taptapper t1_j49rhy8 wrote
Concussion damage could kill him and leave his body intact
Rude-Atmosphere-3969 t1_j46s9qb wrote
This just makes me want to be the circulatory system exhibit at BodyWorld.
It's Nov. 10th now. There is a circulatory system walking through the kitchen.
taptapper t1_j49rkmr wrote
Only condemned prisoners in China need apply
Dr-P-Ossoff t1_j4a1exw wrote
ugh, Iâd forgotten about that.
CaveatRumptor t1_j447tv1 wrote
Was Hunter an atheist?
DaveOJ12 t1_j44z4ic wrote
I fail to see the relevance.
CaveatRumptor t1_j45wqbk wrote
The integrity of the body after death could arise from religious concerns. Atheists notably disrespect those.
coleslawww307 t1_j47broi wrote
If the only reason you arenât mutilating corpses is because god told you too, you are a shitty person. Most of us donât need a god to tell us to be good, but obviously you arenât that developed yet
CaveatRumptor t1_j47ins1 wrote
The religious proscriptions are based in moral considerations as much as any other. Your vices are ignorance and condescension. You won't persuade people to your way of thinking by those. Rather you'll just alienate them.
coleslawww307 t1_j47qelb wrote
I have no interest in persuading people into atheism, especially considering that I am not an atheist myself
CaveatRumptor t1_j47wiyx wrote
So, what you're saying is the you're just an average contrarian. That's not very interesting.
coleslawww307 t1_j47wpfw wrote
In what sense am I being a contrarian?
CaveatRumptor t1_j47xdrv wrote
You've pretty much disagreed with anything I've said, even to the extent of adopting opposing perspectives on an issue. You probably think you're being very clever, but you're just being obnoxious. Goodbye.
coleslawww307 t1_j47y40o wrote
Since everyone in these comments is disagreeing with you, Iâd say youâre more the contrarian
CaveatRumptor t1_j47ydne wrote
That's a childish sophistry.
Kittenscute t1_j46axxx wrote
Oh puhlease, you are saying like the religious don't regularly come up with all sorts of nonsense to defile the corpses of the dead, especially if the dead were their enemies.
You are just an asshole desperate for any thin straw to take potshots at atheists, let's not pretend otherwise.
CaveatRumptor t1_j46gcnc wrote
The injunctions against it are pretty strong, even if they are broken sometimes. Certainly Hunter's actions are egregious. I think you're just an asshole atheist who thinks her shit doesn't stink.
ViralViridae t1_j47qe18 wrote
Lmao. Youâre taking like Christians donât have a well established history of just throwing those they considered lesser into mass graves, including children. I donât think those âstrong injunctionsâ are half as strong as youâre pretending.
Actual source since you didnât provide any to back up your dumbass claim about atheists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/world/canada/mass-graves-residential-schools.html
Kinda looks like the Christians are the ones who more commonly desecrate bodies to me. I eagerly await your examples of atheist groups doing it at the same scale across the world, you should be easily able to find some based on what youâve claimed so far if itâs such a problem.
But Iâm guessing you wonât respond to this
CaveatRumptor t1_j47v2m1 wrote
If the bodies in those mass graves remained untouched then there was no desecration. Being in a mass grave isn't the kind of abuse Byrne feared. Hunter's disrespect of Byrne's wishes for his own body is quite clear. I just simply asked if Hunter was atheist. I think now, that I've received so many defensive replies, that he could well have been so. Being an atheist doesn't mean one can't be a moral person, but it is no guarantee that one is one either. And it is certainly in my experience likely that atheists will abuse theists. The behaviour of some of the people who responded proves it.
ViralViridae t1_j48177d wrote
> If the bodies in those mass graves remained untouched then there was no desecration.
Weird hill to die on lol. Like sure weâre just going to completely ignore your wishes and the rituals of your religion and throw you in a mass grave like garbage, where maybe they might identify a bone fragment from you. Itâs totally not desecration though because some guy on Reddit said so. Like even though youâre Christian, other religions have very explicit death rites, and ignoring those is absolutely desecration to that person and throwing them in a mass grave is dehumanizing on top of it, even if to you the only thing that matters is the integrity of the body
> Being in a mass grave isnât the kind of abuse Byrne feared. Hunterâs disrespect of Byrneâs wishes for his own body is quite clear.
So? Iâm sure some of those buried in the mass grave by Christians did fear that they would be treated like garbage after they died and probably had clear wishes for what they wanted done with their bodies as well. The Christianâs disrespect for those they shoved in mass graves is quite clear.
> I just simply asked if Hunter was atheist. I think now, that Iâve received so many defensive replies, that he could well have been so.
You asked and then when someone asked how that was relevant chose to double down and claim that atheists were more likely to desecrate bodies. Thatâs not just âaskingâ so much as your own gross opinion. And so itâs not a defensive reply to call that out as being a a gross opinion not actually based on anything. Itâs also funny you think you can draw the conclusion of a historical figures religion based on people arguing against your own dumbass opinion. But critical thinking and religion donât really get along so no surprise there I guess lol.
> Being an atheist doesnât mean one canât be a moral person, but it is no guarantee that one is one either.
Kinda like Christians right? Iâve clearly shown theyâre hardly moral, mass graves and all that
> And it is certainly in my experience likely that atheists will abuse theists.
There are religious countries today you can be killed in for being an atheist. There isnât an atheist country you can be killed in for being Christian or any other religion. Its hilarious you can seriously type that out and think itâs anything close to true.
Iâm also pretty sure based on how you write that any abuse youâre receiving from atheists is based on your personality and not religion lol. Or youâre just one of the many Christians with a persecution fetish. đ¤ˇââď¸
CaveatRumptor t1_j48277p wrote
I'm sure you've got yourself all convinced about how rightgeous your discourse is. You are assuming way too much about me for which you have no evidence. Your fifteen minutes are up.
ViralViridae t1_j48e9a1 wrote
> You are assuming way too much about me for which you have no evidence.
You provided all the evidence I need to show youâre a bigot when you made baseless accusations against a group you donât like and then proceeded to keep repeating it while providing no evidence to support it beyond your own opinions. Pretty easy evidence when itâs shit you yourself wrote lol
Iâm still waiting for any actual evidence from you about your theories of atheists widely desecrating bodies or being theist haters, or can you just admit thatâs your own bigotry?
> Your fifteen minutes are up.
You can leave whenever you want đ¤ˇââď¸ god knows I wonât stop you lol
Itâs funny you think writing that will stop me responding and calling out how toxic you are.
You can go now though, I wonât bother reading whatever you manage to drool on your keyboard (Haha see I can do it too!)
CaveatRumptor t1_j48f797 wrote
You're ignorant. So ignorant you're not even aware. You think that's your rightgeousness, but it isn't it's just your juvenile vanity. Feel welcome to have the last word. It's above my pay grade here to deal with a numbskull like you.
ViralViridae t1_j48njq8 wrote
> Youâre ignorant. So ignorant youâre not even aware.
What happened to my 15 mins being done?
And Yes, that is what the word ignorant means lol. Thanks for defining it twice. You still apparently fail to see how youâre the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. But bigots are normally pretty slow
> You think thatâs your rightgeousness, but it isnât itâs just your juvenile vanity.
Damn dude, why does everything you write sound so neckbeardy? Like you wonât respond to any actual point and then write junk like this to make responding basically pointless. Just insults with no substance but I guess thatâs all you really have besides toxic opinions. Iâm hardly being righteousness or vain by saying you were being pretty bigoted, which you were.
> Feel welcome to have the last word. Itâs above my pay grade here to deal with a numbskull like you.
Cool, I will.
I really should have realized it wasnât worth commenting further after you showed your true colors saying intentional mass graves werenât a desecration to the bodies there. Its a great look. Really suits you
Bye đ
BKLD12 t1_j48p097 wrote
Iâm an atheist, and I think that what was done was awful. Even if he doesnât know and never will know what happened to his body, itâs a complete lack of respect shown towards the man. He was treated as a specimen and freak show, not a human being.
Again, religious belief are not necessary to be good person, and religious people are just as capable of being assholes as non religious people.
BKLD12 t1_j48nxmj wrote
Beg pardon? Religion is not necessary for respecting others, and religious people are not immune to being shitty people.
CaveatRumptor t1_j48p1mh wrote
And being an atheist is no guarantee of morality either. I n my experience here online atheists love to disrespect and abuse theists. Certainly Hunter believed he had some sort of right to try to contravene Byrnes stated last wishes and to try to own his body as if he were merely a piece of personal property, all in the name of science, which is often quite antagonistic to religion. Feel welcome to defend atheists all you want, but you're not going to convince me Hunter wasn't an evil person.
BKLD12 t1_j48qcqh wrote
Nobody claimed that it was. But you made the assumption that Hunter was an atheist because he did something that was disrespectful and dehumanizing. Being an asshole and a scientist doesnât make someone an atheist; there are many people who are both while also being religious. Iâve met a few of them in my time.
The only thing that makes an atheist an atheist is a lack of belief in a God or gods.
CaveatRumptor t1_j48rtd7 wrote
I did not assume it at all. If I had made a declarative sentence, stating that he definitely was an atheist that would have been an assumption. I asked if he were an atheist precisely because I did not want to assume it. And no one ever answered that question. Everyone assumed they needed to defend atheism and villainize and insult me personally as a theist. That kind of unneccessary defensiveness strongly suggests I may have been right. Apparently however the institute still thinks it morally acceptable to keep Byrnes skeleton, even knowing that he really didn't want them to have it. That kind of moral blind spot has to be the result of some kind of ideology.
ViralViridae t1_j48ef2x wrote
Proof? Source? Or you just a bigot đ¤
ebbiibbe t1_j44797l wrote
They still aren't honoring the man's wishes, ghouls.