GetOutOfNATO t1_izixpl2 wrote on December 9, 2022 at 1:23 PM

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If your neighbor is paying for your healthcare then you have reduced incentive to not get fat. It’s a moral hazard.

dankinator420 t1_izizei8 wrote on December 9, 2022 at 1:38 PM

So can you explain why america has a higher obesity rate per capita despite having one of the most expensive healthcare systems? In theory what you say can make sense but that simply isn't the reality of the situation. Having universal healthcare causes governments to make more of an effort towards healthy eating, where as a for profit health system actually causes monetary gain from obesity. This causes cases of misleading information when it comes to healthcare and raises the rates of obesity.

GetOutOfNATO t1_izj3cic wrote on December 9, 2022 at 2:09 PM

>So can you explain why america has a higher obesity rate per capita despite having one of the most expensive healthcare systems? In theory what you say can make sense but that simply isn't the reality of the situation.

It’s not obvious because there are also tons of other variables that affect whether or not a person gets fat. We could spend all day talking about them.

>Having universal healthcare causes governments to make more of an effort towards healthy eating,

I disagree, government nutritional recommendations are another reason western society is weak and fat.

If socialists can’t accomplish their goal of getting people to eat healthier and it becomes too expensive for the state, then they just cut funding to the “universal” healthcare system so a lot of people don’t get the treatment they need.

>where as a for profit health system actually causes monetary gain from obesity. This causes cases of misleading information when it comes to healthcare and raises the rates of obesity.

What’s wrong with a for-profit healthcare system continuously researching and developing ways to treat complications from obesity?

dankinator420 t1_izj56h5 wrote on December 9, 2022 at 2:22 PM

>It’s not obvious because there are also tons of other variables that affect whether or not a person gets fat. We could spend all day talking about them.

But there's no correlation to free healthcare and obesity so your initial point is still wrong.

>I disagree, government nutritional recommendations are another reason western society is weak and fat. And if they can’t accomplish their goal of getting people to eat healthier and it becomes too expensive, then they just cut funding to the “universal” healthcare system so a lot of people don’t get the treatment they need.

You say you disagree but what follows has nothing to do with my point. Every year we have a push for healthy eating in the uk. I will admit that funding is slowly drying up for the nhs but that has far more to do with companies lobbying for an american based healthcare system.

>What’s wrong with a for-profit healthcare system continuously researching and developing ways to treat complications from obesity?

In my experience that isn't what actually happens though. In for profit healthcare, solving problems isn't profitable and therefore rarely happens. It's much better to mislead the consumer and give short term solutions.

Edit- I realised I misread your last point. The problem with only treating the complications of an issue is that it doesn't stop the issue. Keeping people obese so they can charge them for the complications is exactly the reason your entire argument is invalid. For profit healthcare does not promote a healthier lifestyle or limit obesity.

GetOutOfNATO t1_izj76kb wrote on December 9, 2022 at 2:37 PM

>But there's no correlation to free healthcare and obesity so your initial point is still wrong.

How do you know?

>You say you disagree but what follows has nothing to do with my point. Every year we have a push for healthy eating in the uk.

Yes it does, because what governments promote as healthy eating is actually unhealthy. Further contributing to the problem.

> I will admit that funding is slowly drying up for the nhs but that has far more to do with companies lobbying for an american based healthcare system.

No it’s because your voters elect politicians that starve NHS funding in favor of more politically expedient spending. Universal healthcare doesn’t work because the democratic mob is greedy.

>In my experience that isn't what actually happens though. In for profit healthcare, solving problems isn't profitable and therefore rarely happens. It's much better to mislead the consumer and give short term solutions.

Nah, for profit healthcare has continuously lead the way in technological and productive advancements for centuries. What you’re describing can only happen if market competition is stifled, like under socialism where the state has monopoly control.