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Xaero_Hour t1_iub6zzp wrote

Reply to comment by CthuluTheGrand in NYT columnist thanks Ye for raising awareness on antisemitism by boogerfact

Not treating his bipolar disorder, unchecked ego tripping for decades, a messy public divorce, and charlatans taking advantage of him to parrot things he very clearly doesn't understand.

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Edit: Wow. Some of y'all need to read more than 5 words before you jump down my throat over something I never said. At no point did I say bipolar disorder was the cause of his antisemitism. It just made his handling of stressors and life-changing traumas worse. And when you're in that state, that's when the conspiracy theorists get you.

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n3ws4cc t1_iubc4gi wrote

And surrounded by yes-men

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RandyB1 t1_iubcngu wrote

Ye-smen

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majorjoe23 t1_iubd9e6 wrote

Ye-semen

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melithium t1_iubukuq wrote

Fish-semen

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ATempestSinister t1_iubvi75 wrote

Must be from all those fish dicks.

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ImmoralityPet t1_iucajiz wrote

He never got over that joke. I mean, he never understood it either, which would probably be a good first step.

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FuckThisPostTruthEra t1_iud2nyd wrote

Lord, SP really called it on Kanye and a handful of other celebs. I’m still not unconvinced they’re from the future lol

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throwaway15642578 t1_iuce747 wrote

The reactions to this comment are pissing me off. Mental illness can be a factor without being an excuse and you very succinctly made that point

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Sir-Kevly t1_iudbd5x wrote

It's like the mental illness argument with school shooters. Yeah, they're obviously mentally ill. But they're not doing it BECAUSE they're mentally ill, they're doing it because they didn't get the help they needed and their mental illness causes them to continue getting worse until they snap and act out on those feelings.

Mental illness isn't the direct cause of any of his behaviour, but it's definitely exacerbating his paranoid delusions and self-aggrandizing behaviour.

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GreeneWithEnvy420 t1_iudf5fm wrote

He has millions of dollars to be able to get himself help. He is a fucking clown and I have no sympathy for him. Hopefully he reaches the end here soon and we don't have to hear anything about him anymore once he is in the ground.

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Richizzle439 t1_iudisl2 wrote

They didn’t excuse him over the mental illness they said it was a factor because it was unchecked.

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throwaway15642578 t1_iuene0c wrote

My point was that others were accusing this commenter of using mental illness as an excuse when they werent

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Xaero_Hour t1_iubjcdu wrote

None of those are excuses. They're what happened.

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boogerfact OP t1_iubmdy4 wrote

Seriously. It's like saying "Charles Manson is a psychopath" is making excuses for him.

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Moist-Diarrhea t1_iubo0gx wrote

Also, “a messy public divorce”? He was the one who made it “messy”.

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v8dreaming t1_iubr24q wrote

No one said he didn't.

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Moist-Diarrhea t1_iuc51ab wrote

What I meant was, the person said his messy divorce caused him to act out - when he was the one who caused the divorce in the first place.

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throwaway15642578 t1_iucdr7l wrote

It’s like a feedback loop. His fault but that doesn’t mean it didn’t make it worse

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Richizzle439 t1_iudj2ps wrote

When did they remove blame from the messy divorce? They said it was a factor in these episodic rants he’s been having not that the divorce was someone else’s fault.

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Sir-Kevly t1_iudbr88 wrote

Divorces are messy for everyone involved, especially when kids are part of the picture.

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Picasso5 t1_iubsy6d wrote

Well, in his defense, it WAS a Kardashian.

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ChickenNuggetator t1_iubmwyy wrote

Mental health issues going untreated combined with being rich enough that people blow smoke up your ass all the time is definitely part of the reason. No one's saying it makes it any more acceptable, but he could likely improve with treatment.

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LimeMime565 t1_iubdg5r wrote

Regardless of him being a bad person he definitely has some mental issues like bipolar disorder. Just being a bad person doesn't mean you suddenly don't have a mental health disorder.

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countryyoga t1_iube74p wrote

Great, but I also have bipolar disorder and I'm not a bigot or a mean person. Mental health issues DO NOT give people the right to be assholes. Mental health issues certainly can make it easy to be an asshole, but if anything it puts a greater responsibility on them to keep themselves in check.

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Dark_Styx t1_iubfk4p wrote

An explanation is not an excuse, even if it often sounds like one.

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Willingo t1_iubpcvh wrote

He's not at fault for his disorder, but he is responsible to have it treated. If he were poor you might excuse not being treated, but he clearly had the means.

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snjwffl t1_iubs9l6 wrote

Reasons are not always excuses.

"I got drunk last night and overslept today" is a clear reason you missed work. As an excuse? Not so much.

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sexybimbogf t1_iudtlqy wrote

I hardly give a damn about his music, I'm more pissed about the antisemitism.

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cone10 t1_iucj8lc wrote

Maybe he was already terribly anti-semitic earlier, but couldn't say it out because of the consequences. Maybe now that the political climate supports saying horrible things out loud, he is in his element. Perhaps being bipolar helps remove some filters.

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Therealladyboneyard t1_iuc46bx wrote

I hate to say this, but I’m wondering if he’s going to blame his actions on his bipolar. Bipolar doesn’t make someone change their core belief system. If he’s not antisemitic, neither mania or depression cycle would change that. And the reverse is true as well. He either is suffering from another mental health issue, or he’s trying to use it as justification.

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Xaero_Hour t1_iucdsvr wrote

Wouldn't be the first time he's tried to buy back public favor by saying exactly that. I'd say it won't work again, but I have far too little faith in the public for that. Also, he's got a lot of people with money that are using him as a flashy idiot so we don't start asking, "hey, where DID he get that whole idea from? Doesn't it sound a lot like that one guy on TV? Why is he still on TV saying the same stuff that cost this guy his shoe deal if it's so bad?"

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Therealladyboneyard t1_iuce0tu wrote

Isn’t it interesting that despite KK and Co claiming they don’t support him since that rant that the family continues to publicly wear the shoes? Odd

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ElAutismobombismo t1_iud8faj wrote

All these things -and- the dangerous precedent that the political goalposts have slid so far that people are starting to get away with saying the quiet part out loud.

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hritikroshankareena t1_iucwabr wrote

How about just a terrible guy finally spiting out his hate because he thinks he can't fall.

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Jon29go t1_iucuj2z wrote

File under Trump as well. Ego grows faster than cancer.

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79r100 t1_iubz3qw wrote

Don't forget talentless.

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asjonesy99 t1_iuc21hp wrote

He’s hardly talentless. Being a massive asshole doesn’t mean he isn’t a talented musician

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79r100 t1_iug9pu3 wrote

Sorry, he is talented at making shitty music. I misspoke.

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Xaero_Hour t1_iuc3ukg wrote

I didn't forget shit. He had talent for making music. I'm not going to act like some wannabe-hate-hipster and ignore that he had a successful music career before things went off the rails. He was always an asshole, but that doesn't take away him having a talent.

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RamenTheory t1_iuc02pv wrote

With all due respect, how does bipolar disorder factor into this? Being bipolar doesn't make somebody a hateful, vile, narcissistic person. Plenty of people live with mental illness and manage to not spew hate speech. Maybe he's just a shit person

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Xaero_Hour t1_iuc3c5j wrote

How does an untreated mental illness factor into erratic behavior? Really? That's a pretty straight line right there. But it's not the sole source of his crap or even what caused his current spree of bad decisions; that's the other stuff I listed, none of which, you'll notice help.

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RamenTheory t1_iuc3zky wrote

You're changing your statement a little bit. "Untreated mental illness" is much broader and more vague than pointing to BPD in particular, and likewise, "bad decisions" is also a pretty forgiving label to place on actively believing hateful things about a racial minority. What you specifically suggested was that BPD can contribute to someone holding racist beliefs, which, unless you have some kind of legitimate research on that, is a little bit of a stretch and potentially infantilizing to those who live with BPD. West is most certainly a mentally ill person divorced from reality, but suggesting that that's what BPD does to a person sounds... not true

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DylanHate t1_iuc5xjb wrote

My sister is bipolar and she’s not an antisemite. It doesn't turn you into a racist lol, he was always that way.

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FuckThisPostTruthEra t1_iud38it wrote

Why y’all think this is rocket science is beyond me.

No one said his BP made him hate Jewish people.

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sexybimbogf t1_iubjkbq wrote

> Not treating his bipolar disorder

TIL antisemitism is a symptom of BP.

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n3ws4cc t1_iubjzsz wrote

It's not, obviously, but susceptibility to bullshit in manic episodes can be i guess. But it's like public information that he has the diagnosis anyway.

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Xaero_Hour t1_iuce6n9 wrote

That's pretty close to it. Conspiracy theorists strike at people when they're feeling frustrated, ignored, and confused and present them with something that answers all their questions about the lack of control they feel and promises them they can get it back. Then once they've convinced you that it all makes sense, BAM, here comes the antisemitism. The number of popular conspiracy theories that are based in antisemitism is frankly staggering.

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RamenTheory t1_iuc07wk wrote

Do you have a source on this? That sounds pretty infantilizing to BPD people if it isn't true

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sexybimbogf t1_iubrdmv wrote

Attributing hated and ignorance to bipolar is honestly pretty dubious.

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TheShishkabob t1_iubuqna wrote

Saying this shit out loud when it's costing him hundreds of millions could be attributed to it theoretically. It wouldn't change the opinion but could change the expression.

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sexybimbogf t1_iubwfdl wrote

or he's an idiot and just hates Jewish people?

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TheShishkabob t1_iuc0blk wrote

It's possible, but he's been allegedly fawning over Hitler privately for 4+ years and yet the public antisemitism (to this degree) is new.

Mental illness doesn't need to be an excuse to factor into the conversation. Pretending it's impossible that it's a factor is as stupid as saying bipolar is the reason he's antisemitic.

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Xaero_Hour t1_iuc44sb wrote

Don't just stop reading after 5 words. There's more to it.

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