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MyDudeNak t1_itzetiw wrote

Reply to comment by Morepastor in Trial over death at Colorado strip club delayed after key lawyer dies there too by Mamacrass

Killing or hurting someone while detaining them very rarely absolves responsibility, it is why no one will stop you if you walk out of a big-box store without paying for example.

The bartender isn't going away for murder or anything, but it definitely seems valid to pursue a wrongful death settlement considering the circumstances (no bouncer at a dive bar? Tackling someone who is running? Chokeholds? These are rookie mistakes.)

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IGotNoStringsOnMe t1_itzyv0j wrote

>it is why no one will stop you if you walk out of a big-box store without paying for example.

Meanwhile I've seen bouncers beat the shit out of people and literally throw them out of bars. IDK what the legal protections are if any for bartenders operating as their own bouncer, but actual bouncers seem to have a fair amount of confidence in working rowdy patrons over that's lead me to assume they have some amount of legal protection normal staff dont have.

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Caveman108 t1_iu2yks9 wrote

Nah, they’re just usually violent assholes that get employed to do what they love. Known more than a few, mostly in the Chicago area. Couple I’ve met had done time for assault, one went away for homicide.

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Morepastor t1_itzjesz wrote

I don’t disagree but the ask isn’t likely the reality. I’m not an attorney but have been involved in cases like this where the intent wasn’t to harm but it happened. Usually the settlement they offer is close to what you may get in court after all things considered. Without intent or some sort of racism involved it’s not a $5m case. Even if he was a top retail executive how much was his lifetime earnings. That’s all I am saying, sad that he died. He made some poor choices that night and others did as well. I don’t think a bad heart is to blame. It’s likely that defense is being used as a precursor to get the outcome they want/can afford. If they prove he had a bad heart then the lifetime earnings would probably be less. Bottom line he should not be dead, the bartender should not be dealing with guilt and the family is likely getting told things by an attorney who thinks he has a George Floyd style case against this club. Basically going to be hurt one more time imho. Maybe strip clubs like that don’t have insurance. If your lawyer is playing cards with your strippers maybe they don’t.

My good friend was once hit by a taxi in NYC. Being head of his firm he decided he’d sue. The taxi company had seen it all and by the time the suit was filed the cab and it’s LLC had filed bankruptcy and moved the medallion. He got nothing but the trip to NY.

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