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JiminyDickish t1_jbht1wf wrote
I know this comment is in jest, but seriously, if a dog is barking "excessively," as this sign specifically states, that is the owner's responsibility and should be regulated.
No resident should be subjected to excessive noise of any kind. We all love dogs, they're great, but there should be some social cohesion around a dog park to make living there tolerable. An excessively barking dog can be an extremely stressful noise to have to endure all day long.
And something tells me that the residences existed before the dog park. Imagine if an outdoor kennel opened up shop in your backyard one day. That's a living hell.
NoMoreProphets t1_jbig73g wrote
The problem is that "excessive" barking doesn't make sense. Dogs bark a lot already even when you aren't at the dog park. Are you supposed to yell at your dog for barking while you play fetch? Even well trained dogs bark while they wait for you to throw the ball. It's also not like dog parks are known for constant midnight dog parties. It's not like your kennel example where the dogs have to live there 24/7.
JiminyDickish t1_jbiihlr wrote
> Excessive barking doesn’t make sense
The grey area is very small. Use common sense. Canadian courts have previously defined it as at least ten minutes of uninterrupted barking. That sounds reasonable.
washington_jefferson t1_jbno84p wrote
I think the issue is if you have new dogs showing up every five minutes, and they are each allotted 10 minutes of barking, then there will always be barking- just from different dogs. That’s why the sign’s intentions are not realistic. Either have a dog park or not. Let the dog people deal with problem dogs in the park- they don’t want that dog causing problems either.
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annomandaris t1_jbkory8 wrote
As someone who goes to the dog park 4-5x a week, there is a big difference between barking and excessive barking.
There are definitely dog who will bark continuously for hours. They shouldn’t be at a dog park, this makes other dogs more aggressive too, to have a dog follow you arriving barking in your face isn’t pleasant for anyone.
Nadaplanet t1_jbm7sxv wrote
>There are definitely dog who will bark continuously for hours.
Oh you must live in my neighborhood. Someone within a several block radius of me has a dog that barks constantly. They let it out around 6 am and let it back inside around 9 pm. I am not exaggerating when I say it barks the entire time it's outside. I've walked my dog around trying to find the source, but I've never been able to pin down an exact address to try and talk to the owners.
NoMansSkyWasAlright t1_jbij3bv wrote
Limit 7 barks per hour per dog.
right_there t1_jbipoa9 wrote
My dog barks maybe once a week when he's startled by a noise outside. It's one, short bark and that's it. My previous dog almost never barked.
Excessive barking doesn't have to be normal. My dog communicates with me in other ways just fine.
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Myhairison_fire t1_jbiowdm wrote
It's can be auch a nightmare having a neighbor with a dog that barks all day and all night. I love dogs, but dislike a lot of dog owners. I have trained homeless dogs to be well behaved, so there is no excuse for lazy dog owners who don't train their 'babies'.
Just make training obligatory and have the dogs and owners pass a socially acceptable behavior test. If they fail fine owners and force more training. Great way to solve noisy fighting dogs problems and make extra tax money.
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krectus t1_jbhv82e wrote
Yeah really should have put the word “excessive” in the first sentence.
NerdHunt t1_jbiokpt wrote
Maybe don’t live next to a dog park if you don’t want to hear barking? 🤷♀️
JiminyDickish t1_jbjlrpm wrote
What if you lived there before the dog park?
NerdHunt t1_jbu5gpl wrote
Then there would have been something you had to sign for the installment of such thing, and if there isn’t and the park is now driving the value of your property down due to the new disturbance, you have a lawsuit in your hands.
Realistically what happens is someone moves next to a school or a dog park and never try to go down there to the house in the rush-hour see what it will be like living there, and when they do get down there after they bought the house they become sorely dissapointed.
JiminyDickish t1_jbu6fsl wrote
>Then there would have been something you had to sign
Nope. Not how it works. City council holds public hearings and then decides. You can voice your opinion at the meeting but if they still go forward with it then there’s nothing you can do.
SuteSnute t1_jbk0mr8 wrote
Then don't live in a major city where there's tons of noise from other things as well. Are all the Reddit commenters in this thread who think they are making clever arguments and retorts from Hicksville, Bumfuckstate?
JiminyDickish t1_jbk1w6b wrote
I live in the city. Dogs barking is the most intrusive, loud sound I hear by far. I can hear my neighbor's dogs even with the door and windows closed and noise-cancelling headphones on. And it goes on all day, because the dogs don't go anywhere. Cars passing, construction even, are all temporary. When you have a neighbor with barking dogs, or a dog park nearby, it's every fucking day and it's absolute torture. No other sound even begins to compare.
SuteSnute t1_jbk033b wrote
These residents live in a city. There's tons of sounds which are far more grating and loud. This is mentioned in the article even. They can deal with the barking. It's a crock of shit and you're playing weird devil's advocacy nonsense to get around it. Let the cops start actually writing tickets to asshole drivers that lean on their horns for everything. They won't. But until then, this is straight up idiocy. I have to assume anyone who's seriously supporting this joke either lives in the suburbs/boonies and doesn't understand what living in a city means, or just don't like dogs and are trying to window dress it
JiminyDickish t1_jbk1lis wrote
>There's tons of sounds which are far more grating and loud.
I live in the city. Dogs barking are the loudest and most intrusive sound I hear, by a country mile. I hear my neighbors dogs even with all the doors and windows closed and noise-cancelling earphones on. And it goes on all day because the dogs don't go anywhere. No other sound even begins to compare.
SuteSnute t1_jbk1z0g wrote
There's a difference between a dog barking all day and night in the yard by your window, and dogs doing what dogs do in a space meant for them, and which has hours of operation.
Nobody here is arguing your neighbor's dog should be allowed to bark non stop in the yard without the owner being confronted about it. This is a specific context. Don't move the goal post.
I also used to hear kids screaming and shrieking all day when I lived next to a park. Nobody ever seems to whine about that one either. And I personally find that far more annoying. But that's what living in a city is about. Dealing with other people
JiminyDickish t1_jbk3faz wrote
>There's a difference between a dog barking all day and night
Never said all night. I said all day. Exactly the same as a dog park. You're the one moving things around.
>But that's what living in a city is about. Dealing with other people
Agreed, which includes limiting how much your dogs bark.
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Infindox t1_jbk7b1o wrote
Dogs barking in a park during the day (which they are going to do because they are playing) is the same as kids playing on a playground: they are allowed to make as much noise at they want. That's what it's there for. If you're arguing about it because it was put in place there after someone lived there... Well that can apply to anything. A daycare, a business, a playground. Construction sounds, normal business from adults, kids in general, are all sounds that in excess can be annoying.
JiminyDickish t1_jbk7qvy wrote
Canada: Dogs Barking for More Than 10 Minutes Constitute a Nuisance
You are not excused to make as much noise as you want with a noisemaker just because you own one.
halfanothersdozen t1_jbhfhv1 wrote
Maybe not yours.
Some people will just _not_take responsibility and train their dogs.
dvdmaven t1_jbhrbp6 wrote
The only time I've been in a dog park and there wasn't ANY barking was with about 130 greyhounds and their owners. I've lived in places that had limits on dogs barking, including one that defined "excessive" as more than 45 minutes continuously.
biopticstream t1_jbhqcc3 wrote
LMAO, the city of Toronto putting up a sign to limit barking at a dog park? 🤣 That's some next level pettiness right there. I mean, it's a dog park for crying out loud, what do they expect? Silent pooches? 🐶
JiminyDickish t1_jbhsq4r wrote
The sign specifically refers to "excessive" barking and to please be respectful, it does not say anything about keeping your dog silent.
As someone who has had to live next to *excessively* barking dogs, this sign is totally reasonable and I think it's a shame it was taken down.
Seantwist9 t1_jbhw29q wrote
It does actually. “Do not allow your dog to bark and disturb the neighborhood”
JiminyDickish t1_jbhx7h8 wrote
And what does the next sentence say?
Let's take the sign in its totality, the way it was meant to be read, and not engage our selective outrage at a single sentence taken out of context. Do you honestly believe that sign is saying owners are in violation if their dog barks a single time?
Seantwist9 t1_jbhy34w wrote
I don’t believe that no. It still however says keep your dog silent. Ain’t nobody outraged, and your using selective outrage wrong
It says do not do x. y will not be tolerated.
JiminyDickish t1_jbhzg7x wrote
>It still however says keep your dog silent.
It literally does not.
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>Ain’t nobody outraged
The entire article is about people who are.
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>It says do not do x. y will not be tolerated.
x = let your dog bark and disturb the neighborhood (aka, bark excessively)
y = barking excessively
Seantwist9 t1_jbhzlcn wrote
“Do not allow your dog to bark and disturb the neighborhood” means keep your dog silent
JiminyDickish t1_jbi04vc wrote
Not in the English language, no.
If it were "bark OR disturb the neighborhood," then yes.
But because it's "Do not let your dog bark AND [therefore] disturb the neighborhood," a dog must bark to the point that it disturbs the neighborhood, thus satisfying the conjunction.
A single bark or handful of barks does not constitute a disturbance, therefore the sign does not prohibit it.
What constitutes a disturbance is open to interpretation, but it's pretty obvious that it would be more than just a few barks here and there.
One might even use the word excessive to define it. Like this sign literally did.
Seantwist9 t1_jbi0h4y wrote
A single bark absolutely can disturb the neighborhood. Thus your dog can’t bark.
I didn’t say it prohibits it. I said it says keep your dog silent
The sign did both, it said no barking. And excessive barking is prohibited
And yes in the English language
JiminyDickish t1_jbi1bjq wrote
>A single bark absolutely can disturb the neighborhood.
Toronto noise ordinances state that the barking must be "persistent," so literally, no, you're 100% wrong. Will you admit it though? Can't wait to find out
Canada: Barking for more than 10 minutes constitutes excessive noise
Seantwist9 t1_jbi1xeo wrote
Notice how disturbed wasn’t in your rebuttal? That’s cause your confused. I specifically said disturb because we’re talking about disturb, what you just did is a strawman.
So while it’s possible I’m wrong ( I’m not) this comment does not have anything to do with what I just said
I’ve been disturbed by the roofers working on my apartments roof, that doesn’t mean it’s illegal
Drownerdowner t1_jblkhm5 wrote
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CheeseSandwich t1_jbi4ly3 wrote
Don't dogs get sore vocal cords from barking anyway?
Ramza1890 t1_jbinake wrote
A French bulldog named R2-D2??? That's the best thing I'll see all day.
thefakejacob t1_jeb2lwc wrote
people dont know that some quirks people have might cause them to have a panic attack over the sound of dog barking
Colorless82 t1_jbj2nk6 wrote
Some people don't even see barking as a problem. It's not hard to google how to train them. But some won't bother.
YsidroMac t1_jbijprp wrote
Rich people need to stop talking completely. It is obviously way too early to atart the hunger games stuff. We still got guns and everything..
PaleCollection t1_jbilgoy wrote
I have a better idea, lets ban dogs entirely.
slothfullyserene t1_jbi0387 wrote
Some dogs are assholes and shouldn’t be allowed to disturb other dogs.
InternetPeon t1_jbhbg7u wrote
Yeah, the dogs can’t read the sign.