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HDSpiele t1_jbefsmi wrote

Reply to comment by Ground2ChairMissile in Mental crimes: Amendments to the Public Order Bill, which criminalise silent prayer in England and Wales by El_Kurgan_Alas

Is standing somewhere, praying, alone, not even making a sound a protest? Would be praying infront of a memorial than also be a protest?

Protests are done to make headlines they are big actions to change public opinion or change laws. In that sense a woman silently praying alone can hardly be considered a protest. As her being silent and her being alone are the opposite of a protest if the police didn't arrest her nothing literaly nothing would have happened.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbegn9j wrote

Her presence was a protest. It was not allowed. She knew this. She can face the consequences of her actions, just like everyone else.

The United Kingdom does not have the same free speech laws as the United States. The government is tired of people harassing women simply for seeking healthcare. They can protest in the street, they can protest in their churches, they can protest in their homes. They can protest right outside the exclusion zone. But if they break the law, they will face the consequences.

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HDSpiele t1_jbeiaqw wrote

I am not from the US I am from austria you presence alone can not be a protest. protests by their definition need to try and accomplish something her being in a place literaly doing nothing as silently praying in a manner where most people would just consider you standing there can be considered doing nothing.

Again the actions taken by the people protesting make a protest a protest you need to voice an opinion to be a protester a woman standing silently maybe folding her hands is not voiceing an opinion. She could have been praying that the woman in their have no complications and get out there as healthy and safe for all we know unless you ask her nobody would have known her opinion so this can simply not be considered a Form of protest as this is the antithesis of a protest as she wasn't even drawing attention.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbekbhn wrote

If you stand in a no-protesting zone and tell cops you're there to oppose abortion, you're protesting. That's the point of the zone.

In the words of someone who seems pretty confused right now, "you should be keeping to the law at all times no matter where no matter when."

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HDSpiele t1_jbepvcy wrote

The question was why was she even approached by the police in the first place and no she said she was there to prey for the dead babies that doesn't mean you oppose abortion and again when she was asked if she was part of a protest she said no. You can be a priest preying for and helping people on death rown and still be for the death penalty.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbeq65y wrote

Incorrect. The question is, was she protesting in an area where she wasn't legally allowed to.

The answer is, yes.

End of questions.

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HDSpiele t1_jbesir0 wrote

In her own words she wasn't, she didn't want to protest. she was there to pray not to protest.

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Ground2ChairMissile t1_jbetjsi wrote

In his own words the bank robber in the vault wasn't there to rob a bank. He still got arrested.

You can stand in the street and pray literally anywhere. Nothing stopped this protester from doing it anywhere else. She had to go there specifically to do it as a protest. She did. She was protesting.

Stop eating this bullshit. It will remain bullshit, no matter how many times you say it's corn flakes. And it won't make your breath smell any better.

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Bubbagumpredditor t1_jbegm3q wrote

You're right, it's not a protest, it's simple trespassing and violating a protective order.

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HDSpiele t1_jbehi21 wrote

But what action violated the protective order her being there? People where still allowed to pass bye. Was it her standing there? It can't be because she was praying as her not bothering anybody can not be a crime because again she was silent you can not violent a law by not bothering anybody is not actively requiring you bothering them. I am not even shure if people who passed by or people inside noticed her praying.

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Bubbagumpredditor t1_jbgnyjc wrote

Sure thing Skippy, your jeebis ovverides all earthly authority and you're just being persecuted. /S

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HDSpiele t1_jbgw5oc wrote

I have literaly no idea what you just said I am a native German speaker not a native English speaker.

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StonedOldChiller t1_jbf47mp wrote

It's not a protest, it's her being where she shouldn't be. The fact that she was quiet and praying doesn't come into it. Just like if a stalker was standing outside his ex's house quietly praying at three in the morning.

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HDSpiele t1_jbgw03p wrote

The zone was specifically a protected zone against activism. Where I life you are not allowed to ride your bike on the sidewalk. But you can have your bike on the sidewalk as long as you do not ride it so if you push it is fine same thing you can not be there as an activist but you can still be there.

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