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Ray_Pingeau t1_jakfut9 wrote

Reply to comment by CascadianExpat in Greta Thunberg has joined a protest against wind farms. Here’s why. by SelectiveSanity

If you read about it, you’ll find that they are protesting them being put on trial indigenous land. People really need to read before commenting on such things.

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CascadianExpat t1_jaknpi7 wrote

I understand that. You’re missing the point. If you think climate change is going to lead to massive ecosystem collapse and extinction, worrying about minor disruptions to grazing patterns on “indigenous land” (not actually owned, just ancestrally claimed) is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. There’s literally not one place on the planet where someone can’t make some objection to building power plants. If we stop everywindmill every time someone doesn’t like the location, we are all going to fucking die. It’s the height of idiocy.

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Ray_Pingeau t1_jal58od wrote

Your way off topic but, ok. Let’s roll with this.

We have killed off 70% of wildlife.

Ocean temperatures have been rising faster than scientists thought.

Just google fishermen and climate change.

The implications for ecological and economical are there if you look.

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CascadianExpat t1_jal63aa wrote

I know. That is why building green power generation is more important than disrupting caribou grazing. You know what else disrupts caribou and arctic indigenous societies? Global warming.

Carbon dioxide emissions are causing a mass extinction, and people who believe that are more worried about bothering a few caribou. It’s insane. These people should be jumping up and down to build every turbine, solar array, reactor, and dam we can muster.

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Ray_Pingeau t1_jal75a4 wrote

Let’s just continue killing more animals instead of putting them in places that won’t?

Gotcha

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CascadianExpat t1_jal7myp wrote

Please, name me some places in Norway where there will be no environmental impact at all from constructing wind farms. Then explain to me why the possibility of building there is better than actually building windmills here.

This is the problem with environmentalists. Any time we build something, there's going to be an environmental impact. So if solving our CO2 problem is going to require building more zero-emission power generation, we're going to have to tolerate some degree of environmental impact.

The only alternative is to just give up on modernity, blow up the majority of our infrastructure, and ride out the collapse of civilization as we know it. Between that and annoying some caribou, I'll annoy the caribou.

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Ray_Pingeau t1_jal7sq4 wrote

You’re going way off topic to make a point. You can have it. Enjoy your victory.

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CascadianExpat t1_jal8ejx wrote

I feel like I'm very squarely on point, talking about caribou and wind power in a thread about caribou and wind power.

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Ray_Pingeau t1_jala9h9 wrote

I get it. You think that it’s fine to strip another country of its natural habitat for wildlife since the rest are barely hanging on. Kill a few more animals. It’s fine. So long as I can charge my iPad.

Good day

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Bitter_Guidance5382 t1_jam7wm8 wrote

“you want to kill animals so you can charge your iPad”

You can’t articulate your point so you throw a tantrum. Wow, very amazing!

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Godvivec1 t1_jakpglp wrote

Okay?

Indigenous people aren't effected by climate change? They don't get to do their part? Only non-indigenous people deserve to have their land used for wind energy?

Who knew they were exempt from a life ending crisis. The more you know...

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