OldLadyReacts t1_j9ba39x wrote
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And look at what the major shortages were (in the US anyway) during the pandemic. It was all stuff primarily used by women: toilet paper, baby formula, tampons. And it's because men in charge made the decisions about where those resources should be allocated and it wasn't to "women's" products. I STILL cannot find my preferred tampons - can't even order them online, they'll deliver the wrong kind.
steroidsandcocaine t1_j9c84y5 wrote
Toilet paper and baby formula are primarily used by women?
AdventurerLikeU t1_j9cqhos wrote
Most men don’t use toilet paper when they piss, only when they poo. Women use it more because we use it for when we pee, when we poo, when we have an unexpected “was that my period or just my body doing body things down there” moments (aka vaginal discharge), and when we actually have our period (because it’s easier to put a tampon in if you clear away the flood of blood first).
And realistically women still do the majority of basic childcare things like feeding the baby (even when they’re on formula and not breast milk). That’s not to say men don’t do it, just that women do it more - and it’s not necessarily because men aren’t pulling their weight for parenting duties, but sometimes for reasons like some places not having paternity leave alongside maternity leave, etc.
So yeah, I think it’s safe to say women use toilet paper (and arguably most toiletries) and baby formula more than men.
steroidsandcocaine t1_j9cqtd8 wrote
Sounds like a personal anecdote to me.
AdventurerLikeU t1_j9crmpb wrote
Sounds like common sense to me, considering women use the bathroom more frequently than men and use toilet paper for more things than men - but here’s a source I found after a quick Google that says the same thing.
As for the “women use baby formula more than men” - maternity leave is often longer than paternity leave (if it even exists). So women are by that very fact more likely to be feeding the baby, simply because they spend more time with the baby during that maternity leave. According to the International Labour Organisation, 98 countries meet the ILO standard of at least 14 weeks maternity leave and 107 countries finance maternity leave cash benefits through social security. Compared with paternity leave, which is found in 78 countries, and only five of those countries provide paternity leave for more than two weeks. So of the percentage of babies who receive formula milk alongside or instead of breast milk, there’s a fairly good chance that - at least in a heteronormative household with a father and a mother - the mother is doing more feeding and so using formula more than the father.
OldLadyReacts t1_j9cq0t3 wrote
Uh yes.
monkChuck105 t1_j9c0c5p wrote
TP was well explained by the fact that commerical TP found in workplaces is different from that sold to consumers for their home. Commerical products are recycled and bigger rolls. As people stayed home more, they used more of the latter than the former, hence the shortage. Men don't make decisions about where resources are allocated, the market demand shifted, and covid reduced supply by interfering with production and distribution.
GetlostMaps t1_j9bwud0 wrote
Yes only women use toilet paper.
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AdventurerLikeU t1_j9cqwmt wrote
Obviously men use toilet paper, but it’s common sense to realise that women use it more. Men use it when they poo. Women use it when they pee, when they poo, when they have vaginal discharge, and when they have their period (because it’s easier to put a tampon in after you’ve cleaned up down there and mopped up the flood of blood). According to studies, women also use the bathroom more frequently than men.
So yes, I think it’s safe to say women use toilet paper more than men.
Individual-Schemes t1_j9ehqfx wrote
Do you not know that whole families, who used to go to work and school, were staying home during the pandemic? So rather than using toilet paper at work/school, households were required to have a greater supply. Do you understand that? It has very little to do with what type of genitals you're wiping.
And stop the sexist narrative that women use baby formula. What fucking year do you think this is?
AdventurerLikeU t1_j9eiaux wrote
Okay?? That doesn’t really change my point - which was that although obviously everyone uses toilet paper, women use it more. Because, again: men (and boys) don’t tend to use toilet paper for when they pee, just when they poo. Women (and girls) use it for peeing, pooing, vaginal discharge and periods - relevant because (IIRC) girls can get their period as early as around eight (though it’s usually between 12-15).
Also, considering women use the bathroom more frequently than men I still think it’s safe to say people with vaginas use more toilet paper than people with penises. Because, you know. That‘s just how math works.
> stop the sexist narrative that women use formula
I’m guessing you mean “that women use formula more than men”, but that’s not sexist - it’s just plain accurate. It’s not a judgment on how involved dads are - it’s just an acknowledgement of feeding habits as influenced by aspects of society (specifically maternity and paternity leave).
Maternity leave is often longer than paternity leave (if it even exists). So women are by that very fact more likely to be feeding the baby, simply because they spend more time with the baby during that maternity leave. According to the International Labour Organisation, 98 countries meet the ILO standard of at least 14 weeks maternity leave and 107 countries finance maternity leave cash benefits through social security. Compared with paternity leave, which is found in 78 countries, and only five of those countries provide paternity leave for more than two weeks. So of the percentage of babies who receive formula milk alongside or instead of breast milk, there’s a fairly good chance that - at least in a heteronormative household with a father and a mother - the mother is doing more feeding and so using formula more than the father.
Individual-Schemes t1_j9elgoe wrote
>Okay?? That doesn’t really change my point
You don't have to change your point. Again: people used more toilet paper during the pandemic because they were home.
Women don't use baby formula.
See how my point didn't change either? You're really going to a lot of effort to argue about something so dumb. You can't just admit that people use toilet paper.
AdventurerLikeU t1_j9g5yf5 wrote
I’m not talking specifically about the pandemic or during lockdown - that was someone else. Someone made a comment in response to the pandemic comment that indicated they didn’t believe that women use more toilet paper than men, I added my comment with sources and reasoning saying women do. Then you joined the conversation and totally ignored the direction the talk had gone in - if you wanted to discuss the pandemic specifically, maybe reply to the person who made the comment about the pandemic in the first place? Not to me, when I was discussing toilet paper use based on gender in response to someone else’s comment??
And babies drink formula, but last I checked a two month old infant isn’t getting up and making themselves a bottle. If you couldn’t figure out the meaning “use formula” based on the conversation then I dunno what to tell you. Congrats on being pedantic to the point of derailing a conversation, I guess?
Ninjotoro t1_j9baodp wrote
It’s ridiculous, isn’t it. We’re a mere afterthought, if at all.
Perez’ book is a really good read, but also so extremely frustrating because it kept reminding me how women and our experiences are just not valued, or overlooked, or or or. Infuriating.
supervisor_muscle t1_j9cgox8 wrote
I’d wager men use considerably more toilet paper than women. And the “shortage” was caused by idiots panic buying, not manufacturing.
Are you claiming only women feed babies?! That incredibly stupid. The shortage there was caused by a couple of things, all government related. People receiving WIC are only allowed to purchase certain brands of formula, the government happened to shut down that manufacturer over some bullshit rumors as was too stupid to get them going again in a timely manner.
Never heard about women’s hygiene product shortages. The23 women in my house never had a problem finding any. Maybe if lunatics weren’t pushing to have men’s restrooms stocked with them there wouldn’t be a shortage?
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