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Ninjotoro t1_j9abn0i wrote

Iirc this snow clearing practice has also been referenced in Caroline Perez’ book ‘Invisible Women’ that deals with exposing the data bias in a world designed for men. Really interesting read.

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blahbleh112233 t1_j9aicc6 wrote

Yeah there's weird stuff like that. Kinda like how women's "room" temp is a few degrees higher than that of guys, so when men determine the climate control, women generally feel colder.

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repeat4EMPHASIS t1_j9bhkul wrote

Working in an office that requires full suits and ties in the summer... it's kinda ridiculous for someone to turn the thermostat up while refusing to wear something other than a dress with spaghetti straps (yes this has happened more than once)

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neihuffda t1_j9ci87f wrote

Fight the dress code instead, man. It's stupid that you have to wear suit and tie anywhere, but especially to freakin' work in summertime. If women can wear temperature appropriate clothes, so can men. Shorts it is.

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repeat4EMPHASIS t1_j9colv9 wrote

I agree with you, but my work involves lawyers and government so that's not going to happen.

But I said to someone else, if the office was all women and half were suffering hot flashes, they shouldn't have to suffer because someone refused to wear a cardigan.

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neihuffda t1_j9e779o wrote

But that's the annoying thing, we've just invented the need to wear suits to be a worthy human. No suit, no skills. I'm really glad that my job doesn't require such nonsense. I get that you alone can't turn up to work with bermuda shorts and your favorite band t-shirt, but I wish you could.

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Spire_Citron t1_j9e0ik8 wrote

A cardigan still isn't nearly as warm as a full suit.

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repeat4EMPHASIS t1_j9e1aq3 wrote

Good thing I wasn't talking about suits in that example because it was all women. You didn't even read the comment before responding.

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DuePomegranate t1_j9cisks wrote

Then the problem is requiring men to wear full suits and ties in summer.

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repeat4EMPHASIS t1_j9cny7c wrote

I don't disagree. But until that changes, consider this scenario:

If the office was all women, and half were going through menopause and suffering hot flashes, it would still be fairest to keep the temp slightly lower and ask those who weren't suffering hot flashes to bring a cardigan.

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Spire_Citron t1_j9e0g2g wrote

Well, consider this. The dress code for men is a full suit. What falls into the dress code for women that's ever warmer than that? Women are expected to dress in ways that aren't as warm. The dress codes are what's ridiculous.

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foo-jitsoo t1_j9fltu5 wrote

The suits are fine! Modern suits are super comfortable, even in summer.

Make the women wear suits!

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Responsible_Shine666 t1_j9ha2fn wrote

I’m my experience. Women can wear whatever they want. While us men have to wear a full suit and coat in the unbearable summer. Then we get to see commercials complaining how much us men stink in the summer time.

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GetlostMaps t1_j9bwoyc wrote

Indeed. There is certainly temperature sexism and it generally favors women.

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Consistent_Effective t1_j9ckqqs wrote

Then you still go with the cooler temperature. Its inefficient to go with the hotter temperature when those that prefer warmer can add a layer.

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SteveBored t1_j9cuz00 wrote

Well put on a coat then. Pretty hard for dudes to walk around nude.

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chazwomaq t1_j9enwtt wrote

Someone should invent a kind of material you can place around your body to make you a little warmer. Until that distant day, I guess women have to remain forever cold in the office.

/s

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OldLadyReacts t1_j9ba39x wrote

And look at what the major shortages were (in the US anyway) during the pandemic. It was all stuff primarily used by women: toilet paper, baby formula, tampons. And it's because men in charge made the decisions about where those resources should be allocated and it wasn't to "women's" products. I STILL cannot find my preferred tampons - can't even order them online, they'll deliver the wrong kind.

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steroidsandcocaine t1_j9c84y5 wrote

Toilet paper and baby formula are primarily used by women?

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AdventurerLikeU t1_j9cqhos wrote

Most men don’t use toilet paper when they piss, only when they poo. Women use it more because we use it for when we pee, when we poo, when we have an unexpected “was that my period or just my body doing body things down there” moments (aka vaginal discharge), and when we actually have our period (because it’s easier to put a tampon in if you clear away the flood of blood first).

And realistically women still do the majority of basic childcare things like feeding the baby (even when they’re on formula and not breast milk). That’s not to say men don’t do it, just that women do it more - and it’s not necessarily because men aren’t pulling their weight for parenting duties, but sometimes for reasons like some places not having paternity leave alongside maternity leave, etc.

So yeah, I think it’s safe to say women use toilet paper (and arguably most toiletries) and baby formula more than men.

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steroidsandcocaine t1_j9cqtd8 wrote

Sounds like a personal anecdote to me.

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AdventurerLikeU t1_j9crmpb wrote

Sounds like common sense to me, considering women use the bathroom more frequently than men and use toilet paper for more things than men - but here’s a source I found after a quick Google that says the same thing.

As for the “women use baby formula more than men” - maternity leave is often longer than paternity leave (if it even exists). So women are by that very fact more likely to be feeding the baby, simply because they spend more time with the baby during that maternity leave. According to the International Labour Organisation, 98 countries meet the ILO standard of at least 14 weeks maternity leave and 107 countries finance maternity leave cash benefits through social security. Compared with paternity leave, which is found in 78 countries, and only five of those countries provide paternity leave for more than two weeks. So of the percentage of babies who receive formula milk alongside or instead of breast milk, there’s a fairly good chance that - at least in a heteronormative household with a father and a mother - the mother is doing more feeding and so using formula more than the father.

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monkChuck105 t1_j9c0c5p wrote

TP was well explained by the fact that commerical TP found in workplaces is different from that sold to consumers for their home. Commerical products are recycled and bigger rolls. As people stayed home more, they used more of the latter than the former, hence the shortage. Men don't make decisions about where resources are allocated, the market demand shifted, and covid reduced supply by interfering with production and distribution.

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GetlostMaps t1_j9bwud0 wrote

Yes only women use toilet paper.

🥹

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AdventurerLikeU t1_j9cqwmt wrote

Obviously men use toilet paper, but it’s common sense to realise that women use it more. Men use it when they poo. Women use it when they pee, when they poo, when they have vaginal discharge, and when they have their period (because it’s easier to put a tampon in after you’ve cleaned up down there and mopped up the flood of blood). According to studies, women also use the bathroom more frequently than men.

So yes, I think it’s safe to say women use toilet paper more than men.

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Individual-Schemes t1_j9ehqfx wrote

Do you not know that whole families, who used to go to work and school, were staying home during the pandemic? So rather than using toilet paper at work/school, households were required to have a greater supply. Do you understand that? It has very little to do with what type of genitals you're wiping.

And stop the sexist narrative that women use baby formula. What fucking year do you think this is?

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AdventurerLikeU t1_j9eiaux wrote

Okay?? That doesn’t really change my point - which was that although obviously everyone uses toilet paper, women use it more. Because, again: men (and boys) don’t tend to use toilet paper for when they pee, just when they poo. Women (and girls) use it for peeing, pooing, vaginal discharge and periods - relevant because (IIRC) girls can get their period as early as around eight (though it’s usually between 12-15).

Also, considering women use the bathroom more frequently than men I still think it’s safe to say people with vaginas use more toilet paper than people with penises. Because, you know. That‘s just how math works.

> stop the sexist narrative that women use formula

I’m guessing you mean “that women use formula more than men”, but that’s not sexist - it’s just plain accurate. It’s not a judgment on how involved dads are - it’s just an acknowledgement of feeding habits as influenced by aspects of society (specifically maternity and paternity leave).

Maternity leave is often longer than paternity leave (if it even exists). So women are by that very fact more likely to be feeding the baby, simply because they spend more time with the baby during that maternity leave. According to the International Labour Organisation, 98 countries meet the ILO standard of at least 14 weeks maternity leave and 107 countries finance maternity leave cash benefits through social security. Compared with paternity leave, which is found in 78 countries, and only five of those countries provide paternity leave for more than two weeks. So of the percentage of babies who receive formula milk alongside or instead of breast milk, there’s a fairly good chance that - at least in a heteronormative household with a father and a mother - the mother is doing more feeding and so using formula more than the father.

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Individual-Schemes t1_j9elgoe wrote

>Okay?? That doesn’t really change my point

You don't have to change your point. Again: people used more toilet paper during the pandemic because they were home.

Women don't use baby formula.

See how my point didn't change either? You're really going to a lot of effort to argue about something so dumb. You can't just admit that people use toilet paper.

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AdventurerLikeU t1_j9g5yf5 wrote

I’m not talking specifically about the pandemic or during lockdown - that was someone else. Someone made a comment in response to the pandemic comment that indicated they didn’t believe that women use more toilet paper than men, I added my comment with sources and reasoning saying women do. Then you joined the conversation and totally ignored the direction the talk had gone in - if you wanted to discuss the pandemic specifically, maybe reply to the person who made the comment about the pandemic in the first place? Not to me, when I was discussing toilet paper use based on gender in response to someone else’s comment??

And babies drink formula, but last I checked a two month old infant isn’t getting up and making themselves a bottle. If you couldn’t figure out the meaning “use formula” based on the conversation then I dunno what to tell you. Congrats on being pedantic to the point of derailing a conversation, I guess?

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Ninjotoro t1_j9baodp wrote

It’s ridiculous, isn’t it. We’re a mere afterthought, if at all.

Perez’ book is a really good read, but also so extremely frustrating because it kept reminding me how women and our experiences are just not valued, or overlooked, or or or. Infuriating.

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supervisor_muscle t1_j9cgox8 wrote

I’d wager men use considerably more toilet paper than women. And the “shortage” was caused by idiots panic buying, not manufacturing.

Are you claiming only women feed babies?! That incredibly stupid. The shortage there was caused by a couple of things, all government related. People receiving WIC are only allowed to purchase certain brands of formula, the government happened to shut down that manufacturer over some bullshit rumors as was too stupid to get them going again in a timely manner.

Never heard about women’s hygiene product shortages. The23 women in my house never had a problem finding any. Maybe if lunatics weren’t pushing to have men’s restrooms stocked with them there wouldn’t be a shortage?

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