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darkblash69 t1_j8v23oy wrote

Reply to comment by lahtidadi in Woman posed as doctor for almost 20 years with fake documents by Mighty_L_LORT

She wasn't terrible, or she wouldn't have been able to do 20 yrs

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RtuDtu t1_j8x7rpq wrote

she was pretending to be a psychiatrist, not exactly hard to fake

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TrekForce t1_j8xmmbi wrote

You’re getting downvoted, but let’s be real, could you detect a fake therapist or a fake surgeon better? I feel like a fake surgeon would be a bit more obvious.

Also if she did any schooling, but just didn’t get her degree/license, then it probably is super easy to fake.

Especially since a lot of people are going to be people who have never been to see a therapist and wouldn’t know what to expect, and the ones that do will just write her off as being bad ( unless she was actually decent) and not think much of it.

A surgeon? Again, gonna be super obvious super fast. Got lots of eyes on you, and your patient outcomes are much more obvious.

So while your comment could be taken as a slight against those who practice, I don’t really see it that way, it seems more like the other people involved (the patient) is much easier to fool as a therapist than some other kind of doctor.

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Thetallguy1 t1_j8yt0vg wrote

Wow, you see your first mistake that derails any validity to your comment is that you think a therapist and a psychiatrist are the same thing. Which they absolutely are not. Its like comparing an EMT to a RN. I'd say the easiest and fastest way to spot a fake psychiatrist is their pharmacology knowledge. If you read the article, she did actually study and was on the path of becoming a psychiatrist, looks like she might just have never gained board certification to practice.

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Hawklet98 t1_j8xky18 wrote

How did that make you feel? Cool. How did that make you feel? And how did that make you feel? Great session. See you next week!

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jppianoguy t1_j8v43jh wrote

Paywall, but this appears to be an interview with a psychotherapist.

Psychiatrists are actual MDs, not psychologists or therapists. Pretty sure they study the brain as well as the other systems in the body. They don't specialize in the brain itself (that would be a neurologist).

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Agouti t1_j8vo74p wrote

lol have you even read that paper

It's talking about psychiatric labels from the DSM, not psychiatry as a profession

Seems like you are due for a few DSM labels if your own

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Cindexxx t1_j8vtcva wrote

He has so me point, but I don't really agree. Psychiatry helps a lot of people but it's basically a guessing game. Following the source from the link shared gave me this quote which makes a hilarious (to me) point.

>Young et al. (2014) memorably calculate that in the DSM-5 there are 270 million combinations of symptoms that would meet the criteria for both PTSD and major depressive disorder, and when five other commonly made diagnoses are seen alongside these two, this figure rises to one quintillion symptom combinations - more than the number of stars in the Milky Way

Kinda shitty lol.

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comradoge t1_j8w16x4 wrote

It is a guessing game because of the nature of the complaints. When your back hurts it is not normal, that is easy to decide. But you have no motivation towards life? This complicates things by orders of magnitude. Maybe you are naturally born that way, maybe you had certain traumas, maybe you had no particular trauma but your upbringing lead you that way slowly, maybe you had shitty friends or family... List goes on. It is even harder for deciding what is normal and what is not. How much sadness or joy should counted as pathological and under what conditions?

Psychiatry has the most subjective organ of interest of all fields in medicine.

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Agouti t1_j8z01lf wrote

There has been a lot of criticism of the DSM over the years, most of it justified. Labels like "borderline personality disorder" are almost so vague as to be unhelpful.

At the same time, nobody has come up with anything better. There is so much nuance that simple labels can never capture what is really going on.

If you wanted to really accurately capture someone's personality you would need dozens of scales, 0-100, like a sadistic variant of a table-top RPG. Many of these sliders would have similar competing effects, and any test you gave would never be able to single out a single value. Then, on top of that, people actively hide and deceive the real answers to questions, and the answers might change significantly from day to day.

The key takeaway here is that you can't self diagnose or treat using labels from the DSM or (even worse) western pop psy. Practicing self awareness, finding someone you trust enough to talk honestly with, and if feasible a really good psychologist (because there are plenty of mediocre ones out there, too) is more important.

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Eric1491625 t1_j8w37n5 wrote

>FOR 20 YEARS!!!

>What more proof is needed?

It was found that 30% of Pakistani pilots had fake licenses without crashing a plane or getting detected, is pilot a bullshit profession now?

A less regulated industry is going to be easier to sneak into, simple as that.

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trixayyyyy t1_j8w35nn wrote

Clown with bad reading comprehension

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gamerdude69 t1_j8xpb6y wrote

Why you gotta bring clowns with bad reading comprehension into this? That's pure bigotry toward those unfortunate underdeveoped clowns.

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gamerdude69 t1_j8xovcn wrote

You're being dense. You said at the end of your message that psychiatrists don't need to study the organ, and then someone corrected you that, yes, they are doctors, so they in fact do study the brain. Do you always get irrational when you're emotional like this? I'll study your brain.

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21_MushroomCupcakes t1_j8vnfo9 wrote

Weird, we talked about neurology quite a bit last time I took psych.

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JimC29 t1_j8wc297 wrote

You have to complete medical school to be a psychiatrist. They absolutely study the entire body. You really have no clue as to what you are talking about.

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Ex-Pat-Spaz t1_j8ww9v7 wrote

What in F are you talking about? They are doctors first and finish Med school like every other doctor and then specialize in psychiatry afterwards. Whatever stupid links you posted, it appears you didn’t read them or probably and more likely didn’t comprehend them. We already have evidence you didn’t understand one of the articles you linked….

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I_like_boxes t1_j8xaqak wrote

That paper is just saying that, instead of putting everything in a box with a label, a more flexible approach would probably better serve patients. It doesn't suddenly invalidate an entire profession; in fact, it would do the exact opposite. Insurance companies and government agencies won't let the DSM go though.

Psychiatry is advancing quickly in our current era, so saying it's essentially a worthless profession is extremely short-sighted.

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