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killerbee2319 t1_j9sl2lz wrote

Reply to comment by KingRobotPrince in Pueblo deputy awarded Purple Heart for injuries suffered during shooting of Richard Ward by Drablit

You are either a cop or want to be... that is the dumbest take on this I've ever seen.

You mean like he was violently sitting in his car talking to the officer, who repeatedly made contact, and already had his hand on his gun, and the grabbed him for taking a pill, and threw him on the ground, and then proceeded to get violent with someone who was not at all acting violently, who unsurprisingly reacted when he was flung from his car onto the ground.

Then he shot him because hims was toos a'scairt of going two on one with a man after he initiated the violence.

He shouldn't be getting a medal when he started the fight. He should be rotting in jail, awaiting his trial on first degree murder charges.

Cops need to be taught how to deescelate situations, not immediately go to full Rambo mode. Cops need to stop being mollycoddled when they shoot unarmed citizens. Cops need to stop acting like the whole world is out to get them. It sets them into kill or be killed mode in every encounter, no matter the situation.

But I guess I shouldn't worry. Three of his buddies investigated it real good, and they agreed that their friend and coworker did absolutely nothing wrong.

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9smk3b wrote

Your take is the dumb one.

Clearly the guy violently resisted. Saying "he was violently thrown to the ground" and other blah blah means nothing, when the video shows he was resisting and fighting the cop from the minute he tried to get him out of the car.

It's pretty simple. A police officer is allowed to grab someone. A citizen is not allowed to then fight with the cop in response to being grabbed.

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killerbee2319 t1_j9snsdt wrote

Actually, cops are not allowed to assault citizens without cause, and the cause can't be because they wanted to. Now the courts may not choose to enforce these violations of civil rights, or the crimes that officers get away with, but that doesn't change the fact that they are breaking the law.

And in case you are wondering, that is how humans respond to being suddenly and violently attacked. Your body goes into fight, flight, or freeze. Most folks will respond physically when anyone suddenly grabs you. It's called a survival instinct, and cops shouldn't get to use that basic human response to get away with murder.

I'm very sorry that you understand so little about the real world. You have a fine evening in your little fairytale land.

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9ssiih wrote

>Actually, cops are not allowed to assault citizens without cause, and the cause can't be because they wanted to. Now the courts may not choose to enforce these violations of civil rights, or the crimes that officers get away with, but that doesn't change the fact that they are breaking the law.

The guy was acting suspiciously and the police officer wanted him to get out of the car. Police have the power to do this. Citizens have no right to resist or fight. > >And in case you are wondering, that is how humans respond to being suddenly and violently attacked. Your body goes into fight, flight, or freeze. Most folks will respond physically when anyone suddenly grabs you. It's called a survival instinct, and cops shouldn't get to use that basic human response to get away with murder.

Flight or flight is not a legal defence for resisting a police officer and fighting with him. This is a ridiculous idea. > >I'm very sorry that you understand so little about the real world. You have a fine evening in your little fairytale land.

You are the one living in a fantasy world. One where people don't have to do what the police say and can fight with them if they choose.

I would say the same to you, but I don't think anyone could really have a fine evening living in such a messed up place, even if it is imaginary.

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Asclepius333 t1_j9te96r wrote

Lmao give him one of your Jordan Peterson books. You just told him to clean up his fairytale room

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Giantmidget1914 t1_j9ttccv wrote

You couldn't be more incorrect. Cops don't get to just tell you what to do if you haven't broken a law. Hence "Law Enforcement". Police have exactly zero authority to touch you if you've not broken a law.

He didn't have to speak at all. That's his right. If he wasn't pulled over for a traffic violation, they can't even demand ID without a reason.

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BuckinFutts t1_j9tjlsn wrote

People with intellectual or emotional disabilities often can't follow directions (at least immediately) under stress, and don't deserve to be murdered by police. It's not hard to understand

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inevitabilityalarm t1_j9t13fc wrote

One day you might witness someone you care about being murdered by a cop in the most agonisingly, frustrating, needless way. Let's see your take on whether it's necessary then.

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PaxNova t1_j9u6rh4 wrote

> Clearly the guy violently resisted.

Not to the point of requiring a lethal solution. Reaching into your jacket is a no-no when interacting with police, and the grab out of the car was likely fine. Once on the ground though, it doesn't matter how much they're kicking, the gun is only called for if they're going for a weapon.

I'm unclear as to protocol on taser vs gun when an unknown weapon may be in play.

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