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ZestycloseAd7083 t1_j6le0yf wrote

Reply to comment by gangmasterfader in Biden says no F-16s for Ukraine as Russia claims gains by joshemerson

Why not? They initially crossed the line. Eventually Ukraine will carry out more bombings in Russia.

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gangmasterfader t1_j6lhflz wrote

I think that most tax-paying Americans can justify sending arms for Ukraine to defend itself, but don't want to have anything to do with funding offensive operations on Russian soil. We'd have nothing to gain.

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MoonRakerWindow t1_j6ln0au wrote

No that my opinion matters in the grand scheme, but this is what I want for Ukraine:

  • Ukraine retakes all of its territory, including Crimea.

  • Ukraine pushes Russian forces off its soil.

  • Ukraine is in a position to defend itself from future attacks.

Although I get the strategic logic of striking Russia to help further those 3 goals, I think it would cause more problems than it solves.

After Ukraine retakes all of its territory, pushes Russia out, and these is an end to hostilities, THEN it makes sense for Ukraine to acquire more long range weapons. They would provide a strong deterrent from Russia invading again.

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pegothejerk t1_j6lkinw wrote

I don't know about nothing to gain, there's always something to gain even from the worst choices, but there's definitely far more advantage to keeping Russia in a proxy war in a border country to Russia rather than spilling it into their country and then into ours.

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