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[deleted] t1_j5i1o2b wrote

Reply to comment by macross1984 in Minister: Germany won't block Poland giving Ukraine tanks by Brave_Conflict465

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macross1984 t1_j5i4hw2 wrote

If what you say is the fact then a lot of information is left out from media as most people outside of Germany lack information you have.

- not one single country has actually asked Germany for permission to export LEO2s to Ukraine.

This one I have seen from several comments but none of them provided source or link. If you have it please provide as it would help your point of view.

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Sage_Nein t1_j5izly2 wrote

>- not one single country has actually asked Germany for permission to export LEO2s to Ukraine.

For weeks now, the German government has been asked at the federal press conference, if such a request had been filed. Last friday, the speaker again reiterated "I have no information about an official request" - here is the relevant part of the press conference, in German though.

Some other points from that press conference:

  • The German government never linked Leopard deliveries to US tank deliveries.
  • There were no informal talks about tanks between Poland and Germany - which would usually happen before a request.
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macross1984 t1_j5izznl wrote

Thank you for providing details that I was not aware.

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and_dont_blink t1_j5kmk83 wrote

This isn't really genuine, it was PR. Poland and the USA have been asking for armor and tanks sincr the start of the war, which Germany denied. They eventually capitulated and said "ok instead of German tanks, send older Soviet stock and we will reimburse you with German tanks, but none will go to Ukraine." They didn't follow through.

Then when Poland and the USA and others (the USA and dutch split the costs to send 90 refurbed tanks, etc) pushed the issue Germany starts acting like it was all a misunderstanding because some paperwork wasn't filed. It's egregious and transparent, it would be like your bank manager telling you they coukdnt possibly gove you a loan, then when asked by the media saying they hadn't actually applied for the loan. Germany was clear publicly and again, even setup an entire program to avoid it.

When the European parliament told them to send the heavy armor, and France, they told the press it was the first they'd heard of it. LoL

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and_dont_blink t1_j5klq5m wrote

>Germany has repeatedly said they would give permission, Poland just hasn't actually bothered to ask for permission yet...

No, they haven't funwithtentacles. They've said the exact opposite. Please provide one link that isn't from the last day or so where Germany has said it is OK with anyone sending German tanks into Ukraine. One link. It should be easy, except you won't be able to because it is a lie.

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[deleted] t1_j5mt4un wrote

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and_dont_blink t1_j5mu2yo wrote

...there's nothing to turn around, and you're being disingenuous funwithtentacles. Germany was incredibly clear going back to April of 2022 it wouldn't allow German heavy armor to be used in Ukraine.

This whole "well they never actually sent a written request" is broken thinking when there were talks private and public leading to Germany coming up with the plan to agree to backstop those who only sent soviet era armor because they wouldn't allow German armor. To anyone paying actual attention what you're saying is just nonsense.

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