Submitted by Brave_Conflict465 t3_10iuqpj in news
Brave_Conflict465 OP t1_j5h1hq9 wrote
Reply to comment by macross1984 in Minister: Germany won't block Poland giving Ukraine tanks by Brave_Conflict465
They were likely to follow through even if they didn't get the green light from Germany. They are happy to do anything they can to hamstring the Russian invasion, and put themselves in position to receive newer, more advanced equipment in the process.
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leywok t1_j5h2it2 wrote
They already signed contracts to purchase and build Korean tanks; so they can dump the Leopards .
Brave_Conflict465 OP t1_j5h3ea0 wrote
leywok t1_j5h4ccf wrote
To friends in need you just say “how much and how fast do you need it” not, “fill out a request in triplicate, I’ll check stock and let you know after the war. “ The Germans are anal about records and record keeping.
Mothrahlurker t1_j5hyiga wrote
>“how much and how fast do you need it” not, “fill out a request in triplicate, I’ll check stock and let you know after the war. “
Because that is a very fair representation of not even submitting any export request at all, not even contacting the relevant authority.
BoringBob84 t1_j5hloqd wrote
I think that the Germans are very justified in being careful about getting involved in war.
leywok t1_j5hnsbd wrote
Some countries, Germany foremost, France and even the US are playing the game so that Ukraine doesn’t win nor Russia, basically another Donbas wall. In all the statements “ we’re with Ukraine till the end” NOTHING is mentioned. ‘We’re with Ukraine till they win”. That’s a big difference, mostly Ukrainian deaths. The US’ (I’m a US citizen) main goal is to ruin Russia’s capacity to wage war for 20-40 years to come. If I was Ukraine I would not waste precious lives on moonscape territory but focus on Crimea. Poland will have almost 800 new tanks plus the surplus currently. You couple the M1s and the Korean tanks with A-10s (again US surplus) and Ukraine will be safe without Germany’s umbrella (or full NATO protection). Germany can go back on building BMWs and not pay their 2% share (not expected to happen till at least 2024).
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Limp_Agency161 t1_j5jd6c8 wrote
Lord another dumbfuck American thinking they know how the world works while unironically giving war advice to the Ukrainians.
leywok t1_j5jgcxf wrote
These “dumb fucks” are paying for everything we’re gleefully sending to Ukraine. I’m giving advice to other dumb fucks on Reddit not Ukraine.
Mothrahlurker t1_j5hykde wrote
>They were likely to follow through even if they didn't get the green light from Germany.
That was just political posturing.
spaceman757 t1_j5h8ehg wrote
> They are happy to do anything they can to hamstring the Russian invasion, and put themselves in position to receive newer, more advanced equipment in the process.
In addition to that, we (I'm an expat living in Poland) have a ton of Ukrainian refugees here that would love to be able to go home and start to get some normalcy back in their lives.
This would help them to be able to accomplish that and would also take a large burden off of the Polish systems.
Brave_Conflict465 OP t1_j5h9xe6 wrote
Absolutely, Poland has taken on a great deal of the humanitarian aid needed with so many being forced from their homes. I certainly didn't mean to make it sound as though this decision was entirely self serving, just that it makes good sense.
spaceman757 t1_j5ipdee wrote
No worries. I didn't take it that way, even though that's likely a big part of the decision to do so.
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Brave_Conflict465 OP t1_j5hemwc wrote
A much easier road if Germany chooses to make them available. My understanding is that most of the other countries that have expressed a willingness to send Leopards, would likely be able to provide munitions, and spare parts also. Not an endless supply, but enough to get the ball rolling anyway.
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