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Elipticalwheel1 t1_j4ulxyr wrote

Don’t they mean, humans entered Polar Bear territory and was fatally mauled, ie polar Bears was there first.

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Hamish53 t1_j4vhcbx wrote

Where do you live that didn’t have wild animals there first ?

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Elipticalwheel1 t1_j4w0b37 wrote

There isn’t a place on earth. Polar Bears have to eat, if you are unfortunate enough to be in its sights, then you could end up being it’s next meal, that’s nature.

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Hamish53 t1_j4wjucc wrote

Uh yeah. I am aware of how nature works and I certainly don’t begrudge the bear for doing what is natural especially in light of the unnatural climate man has created .

Perhaps I am mistaken but your comment that the humans entered where the polar bears were there first in reference to the sad deaths of an indigenous mother and child struck me as judgmental , patronizing and just unnecessary victim blaming .

Why throw stones from afar ? If you want to blame someone pick on Exxon or the moron who says that climate change is a Chinese hoax . W It’s not like the mother and child climbed into a cage at the zoo .

If it helps- source - I work with endangered species / and invasive species

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Elipticalwheel1 t1_j4wlne2 wrote

Sorry if it sounded judgmental, it wasn’t supposed to be, but yes I do agree that because of the climate, with the areas shrinking, that is bringing the polar bears into closer contact with human.

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Biomax315 t1_j4umayg wrote

Polar bear just doing polar bear shit.

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Hamish53 t1_j4wka57 wrote

This is unquestionably true and as ecosystems collapse we will see more unusual predation even amongst people and species who don’t live in places where by definition inhabitants must adapt and work with the natural world .

Starving animals and people do unusual things.

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brogrammer9k t1_j4uq2t2 wrote

This is in a very rural part of alaska, chances are these two were alaska native and their people have been here just as long as polar bears.

The nihilistic take when humans die to animals is really fucking dumb. A mother and child were eaten alive, that is fucking horrifying.

Hopefully they blasted it straight to hell.

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GWS2004 t1_j4v4t22 wrote

You think they're response is dumb? Yet you want the polar bear to go to hell?? 🤨

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brogrammer9k t1_j4vlfk4 wrote

their* and its an expression.

Carnivores that kill humans for prey should be put down. Not out of revenge but to prevent them from associating humans as a food source.

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fusrohdave t1_j4vpuze wrote

Humans aren’t more important than animals. In fact, we are just other animals that are aware of the concept of self. It’s the food chain. Is it sad? Yes. But it’s nature. Maybe if we didn’t encroach on their territory at the same time as destroying their natural habitat this wouldn’t happen. Bears just being a bear.

I’ll go on record and say If a bear kills and eats me, let him live and chill. His life is just as important.

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brogrammer9k t1_j4xlr37 wrote

Its pretty much standard wildlife conservation 101 with predators that any predator that kills humans and eats them is likely to do it again. Your feelings about leaving the bear be would not matter because not doing anything would put other people, vulnerable people in danger. The people who go to school and spend their careers studying and protecting these animals are the same ones who make the calls to euthanize them when this happens. Just because you empathize with the bear doesnt change how the Biologists with Fish and Game operate.

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fusrohdave t1_j4yh4u8 wrote

Hate to break it to you but I know first hand that that is not “wildlife conservation 101”. First thing they do is relocate, far away from any civilization. They want the bear to live, especially when the animal is endangered. At the same time factors that led to the incident are addressed as best as they can be. In this case that would be difficult. Only as a last resort are they euthanized. If you’d actually like to learn anything, there’s actually a lot of good resources available with the WCS.

We also aren’t talking about some downtown suburbs. It’s a remote Alaskan village. There’s an entirely different set of circumstances.

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brogrammer9k t1_j52ady3 wrote

carnivores that have killed humans are certainly not relocated.

The WCS has no actual jurisdiction on what happens to animals that have killed people, especially not in the state of alaska. Every single instance of an identified wild predator killing someone (especially in Alaska) has ended with the dept of fish and game or state troopers eliminating the animal.

The WCS has about as much a say in what happens with dangerous animals as MAAD has about legislation that DOT is responsible for.

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fusrohdave t1_j4vpfij wrote

I know you’re being downvoted to hell but I totally agree. Bears just doing bear things. It’s really sad that it happened but this is what happens when we not only encroach on their territory but also allow their habitat to shrink so much.

I don’t get why humans put their lives so much higher than other species. If a bear kills a different animal it’s nature but if they kill a human it’s a tragedy.

Hope the bear isn’t killed.

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Elipticalwheel1 t1_j4vzif6 wrote

Yep, obviously the people that have down voted are pretty ignorant of nature, after all, the polar Bear has only killed another predator.

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Hamish53 t1_j4wkkr3 wrote

Smug much ?

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Hamish53 t1_j4wl995 wrote

I would bet my arm that the mother who was eaten with her child was more aware of and in tune with nature, bears predation etc then someone who mocks their death on keyboard as if humans are somehow entirely distinct from the natural world .

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fusrohdave t1_j4wdg2o wrote

Exactly. If we are hungry we go kill an animal to eat it so we don’t starve. The bear did the same thing. It’s not it’s fault that the only thing available to it was this woman and a child. We’ve been saying for years if we don’t get climate change and expansion under control then eventually this was gonna happen. Now it does and people are shocked. It’s ridiculous

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wistoon33 t1_j4v6b31 wrote

People have been in the Seward Peninsula for 30,000 years.

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Elipticalwheel1 t1_j4v79gn wrote

Polar Bears probably a lot longer. But if you live along side wild animals, it’s obvious things like that will happen. I bet more polar bears have been killed by humans, that humans have been killed by polar Bears.

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