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TheShadowKick t1_j3tg0ja wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Colorado to stop busing migrants after pleas from NYC and Chicago mayors by callingforduty

Who supports open borders?

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Mammoth_Sprinkles705 t1_j43c69w wrote

Anyone who supports not immediately deporting people entered the country illegally

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TheShadowKick t1_j44p3wz wrote

That's a really weird and cruel way to describe open border policy. Not to mention entirely inaccurate.

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[deleted] t1_j3toun2 wrote

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squidking78 t1_j3tr0qr wrote

No sane person who understands economic and how the world actually works supports “open borders”.

The right wing like to tar anyone vaguely left with this completely extremist, fantasy view of “what the left wants”. It’s great for votes and outrage. Sometimes the far left fringe is their own worst enemy, with the stuff they come up with.

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TheShadowKick t1_j3uhro5 wrote

> If you're gonna look at me with a straight face and tell me that progressive bastions such as NYC and Chicago didn't have solid pluralities or even outright majorities that supported such a state of affairs prior to all the buses I'd call you a liar.

Then you'll have to call me a liar because I've lived within an hour of both New York and Chicago and open borders isn't a popular policy in either of those places. Open borders isn't a popular policy among progressives in general. You can find a few who support it, but for the most part progressives just want better treatment for illegal immigrants and to make the legal immigration process more accessible.

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squidking78 t1_j3uues5 wrote

Yup. Only an insane fringe want “open borders” or will argue with you on “what they mean”… despite using that insane language. It’s just as bad as abolish the police entirely as a solution to policing issues. ( even if they don’t actually mean that, it’s an idiotic catch phrase that gives the far right ammunition against sane solutions for years. )

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squidking78 t1_j40k75z wrote

Let me be clear. It’s not center right to say that having no border with the rest of the world as a sovereign nation is a good thing. That’s normal, standard international rules. You’ll find liberals like the international rules that allow nation states to exist. If you want “open borders” then make something like the EU. Freedom of movement is great, but there’s a lot more integration that comes before you simply “open the borders”.

I’m aware that there’s a constant creep to the right, in many things, but Jesus, preferring the thing that makes a nation actually sovereign ( protecting its borders and controlling who can come in and out and do business ) is how the world works. Far left twitter liberals aren’t the rest of the world. Or more importantly, the electorate. ( just as much as the fringe far right )

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TheShadowKick t1_j3uuwl3 wrote

>If you're gonna look at me with a straight face and tell me that progressive bastions such as NYC and Chicago didn't have solid pluralities or even outright majorities that supported such a state of affairs prior to all the buses I'd call you a liar.

Then you'll have to call me a liar because I've lived within an hour of both New York and Chicago and open borders isn't a popular policy in either of those places. Open borders isn't a popular policy among progressives in general. You can find a few who support it, but for the most part progressives just want better treatment for illegal immigrants and to make the legal immigration process more accessible.

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TheShadowKick t1_j3ya0or wrote

Then I'm calling you a liar. Either that or you have no clue what "open borders" even means, because it's not a popular policy among the Democratic Party. You're either making up bullshit or you've badly misunderstood the actual policies that people want.

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Yonder_Zach t1_j3ugi6g wrote

It sounds like your entire understanding of the situation comes from unreliable right wing media. The people you trust for your information are not acting in good faith- they are grifters misleading you intentionally and systematically because they don’t respect you.

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