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[deleted] t1_j5f6e2v wrote

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ux3l t1_j5f85qj wrote

I don't see how a longer prison sentence would make a difference in this case

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NuclearEspresso t1_j5f9nsm wrote

If we “trust” in the prison system to rehabilitate a clearly mentally maladjusted youth before they become an active adult, maybe we can bring some humanity back. Frankly I dont think that works.

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TheMostSamtastic t1_j5fr9qx wrote

How does a longer prison sentence do anything for the victim?

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skelectrician t1_j5jx7nw wrote

How does a shorter sentence do anything for the public?

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TheMostSamtastic t1_j5k9yk4 wrote

The sentence was likely decided based on the circumstances of the case at hand. We don't know anything about the background of the child, or of the events directly preceding the crime. Them being that, a 14 year old child, also likely played into determining the length of the sentence. It should also be noted that while the sentence was 7 years, the ruling stipulated that this sentence could be extended indefinitely based on the perpetrator's behavior.

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Bob_Juan_Santos t1_j5gu3a9 wrote

the victim is dead, not much to do for the victim in the first place.

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TheMostSamtastic t1_j5fr45m wrote

Some of us just don't think punishment results in any material improvement in the world, which is what matters. A sense of vengeance doesn't do anything besides reinforce the "me hate, me hurt" mentality that is at the core of these very crimes. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I don't believe in rehabilitative justice merely for sympathy's sake. I want results from my tax dollars.

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NoStatic78 t1_j5fuwaq wrote

Is it necessarily a desire for vengeance? Or is it sometimes, at least in some cases, simply a desire to see a clearly dangerous, broken individual removed from society for as long as possible, for the safety of everyone they come across?

Note that I'm not saying that the question necessarily applies to this particular case. There's absolutely nothing in this article on which to form an opinion about whether this kid is likely to hurt others again in the future.

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TheMostSamtastic t1_j5glr88 wrote

Let me be clear; I am not against incarceration. I believe in rehabilitative justice, but as long as a person proves a danger to the public then they should remain safely locked away. The only thing I took issue with was the notion that the meting out of justice should be done via harming those who have harmed.

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Keylime29 t1_j5na2wx wrote

Have you been the victim of a crime?

I ask because I wonder if you hold the same views if you had been molested or raped?

We aren’t talking about people who steal cars or shoplift.

These are people who deliberately hurt others, even kill.

If their victims survive, they will suffer the rest of their lives?

Why is the focus on the well-being of people who hurt people, sometimes deriving great pleasure while they do.

Why is their life more important than their victims and the rest of society?

Why is it okay to risk the safety of innocent people? These criminals chose to hurt others, they shouldn’t deserve more consideration than their victims and potential victims by giving them chances to do it again, ever.

Do you think they shouldn’t be punished? Why do you think there shouldn’t be unpleasant consequences?

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TheMostSamtastic t1_j609s9s wrote

Have I been raped, or has anyone attempted to murder me? Thankfully not, and I sympathize with anyone who has suffered through either of those horrendous things.

Have I ever been the victim of a crime? Yes, I've been mugged and carjacked at gun point.

As for why I believe what I believe, it is because inflicting harm on someone purely for the sake of harm doesn't benefit anyone. There is not a regain by society from that. The crime is not undone, and we are not guaranteeing in anyway that it will not be repeated. Even if we execute people, the human genome can create a serpent from saints. You will never "kill" this part of humanity, nor will you be able to keep it from sprouting up somewhere else should you contain it in one case. The only hope we have at all of finding meaningful change is discovering the combination of circumstances which allow people to transcend their own evils. Beyond that, we are just satisfying our own sense of blood lust, or vengeance, and furthering the philosophy of laying low that which you hate, even if it's pointless, or even counter productive.

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