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breadexpert69 t1_j33hln1 wrote

“The Biden administration is expanding its use of a pandemic-era border measure known as Title 42 to begin rapidly expelling migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela, while opening a new legal path for up to 30,000 migrants from those countries to enter the U.S. each month.”

If this means more accesible LEGAL immigration, then its a good thing. Reason many people immigrate illegally is because legal immigration has become so difficult, lengthy and expensive. It gets to a point that many of those people dont have a choice.

Open doors to more legal immigration from those countries, and illegal immigration should lower.

Just my opinion as someone who had to go through the whole legal immigration process. Its not easy, its expensive as hell, and took me almost a decade to complete. Modern legal immigration is seriously depressing, and understand why some people have no choice but to cross illegaly.

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Aazadan t1_j37qta3 wrote

Unlike what Texas and Florida would have you believe with their migrant busses, seeking asylum is a legal method to get into the US.

The process is basically that someone shows up at the border, claims asylum, and they’re asked if they believe they’re persecuted (not are, that they believe they are) for any of several reasons.

Then they can stay in the US legally and work for up to a year, with travel restrictions, while waiting for a court case to determine if it’s a valid asylum claim. If it is, they continue to stay. If it isn’t, they’re deported.

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jschubart t1_j3a9hr5 wrote

Seeking asylum is LEGAL immigration. Their immigration is no more or less legal than yours.

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cloudedknife t1_j354ilp wrote

Entering this country and wa9ting here while seeking asylum was legal immigration.

Edit for the downvoters: Just because you dont like it, doesn't make it true.

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bunbunzinlove t1_j33u3a1 wrote

No you don't understand. When they cross illegally it means they are going to hide all their lives, without any access to any kind of aid, medical assistance or education even for their children. It's generations and generations of people who will be eternal prey for anyone who want to exploit them. They will be and remain poor, without identity neither nationality for their children, who under such circumstances will never come to love their new country. They will never be heard because they will never have the right to vote, which also means that their situation will never change. The only change for them would be to lose everything again when they are found and deported. That's why they will remain in hiding and silent. It's a vicious circle. I'm French and I am an immigrant in an Asian country. Here they only accept a few immigrants but they totally take them in charge. They have full programs to learn the language while getting a training and also working part time to finance their living. At the end you get the qualification, a Visa sponsorship, a job and a place to live. They make sure that immigrants don't end homeless in the street and in fact yes I have never seen foreigners begging with their children in the streets like I saw so many in France. People like to criticize Japan but at least they don't boast everywhere that they will accept everyone and help everyone... just to open them their streets to beg or sell their bodies and that's all. You advocate for more legal immigration. I say the whole system has to be completely destroyed and rebuilt so that you don't end AGAIN with an hidden population of poor and disadvantaged people who will just stay that way all their and all their children's lives.

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SendMeMuffinRecipes t1_j344hji wrote

The US has birthright citizenship, meaning that the US-born children of people in the country illegally are automatically US citizens.

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SendMeMuffinRecipes t1_j36yrtx wrote

Did every one of your ancestors immigrate "the right way"?

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soapyhandman t1_j38cqd8 wrote

A large majority of countries do not recognize birth right citizenship including most European nations.

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SendMeMuffinRecipes t1_j38iwob wrote

That has nothing to do with the question I was asking u/SeattleHasDied. I'm not getting roped into a lengthy back-and-forth today.

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kittenpantzen t1_j364ljc wrote

We do, but we have also deported brown citizens before because they had a hard time proving their citizenship.

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BubbaTee t1_j34le57 wrote

>without any access to any kind of aid, medical assistance or education even for their children

If their kids are born in the US, they're automatically American citizens, with the same medical and educational entitlements as any other American.

> It's generations and generations of people who will be eternal prey for anyone who want to exploit them.

No more than any other American.

> They will be and remain poor, without identity neither nationality for their children, who under such circumstances will never come to love their new country.

If they choose to hate America, that's certainly their prerogative. They certainly won't be the first anti-American Americans to ever exist - heck, half the country tried to secede before.

> They will never be heard because they will never have the right to vote

Until they turn 18, then they can vote.

> The only change for them would be to lose everything again when they are found and deported.

No one born in America can be deported, unless they choose to renounce their residency rights.

> I'm French and I am an immigrant in an Asian country.

No wonder you have such an inaccurate image of how American citizenship works.

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SunsetKittens t1_j33f5qc wrote

>The new policy represents the broadest effort yet that the Biden administration has undertaken to deter migrants seeking asylum from crossing the border illegally. It also relies on an expanded use of Title 42 as a border-control measure, even while the administration is arguing in court that the measure is no longer justified on public-health grounds and must end.

Well if that ain't a cat's meow.

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AudibleNod t1_j33g25c wrote

It's like when Ash's hand gets possessed and he's fighting it. Except the possessed hand is showing would-be immigrants the door.

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TorontoGiraffe t1_j37ohol wrote

ELI5 was Trump doing something different? Aside from inflammatory rhetoric, why does it seem like everyone lost their mind at Trump but everyone has a measured response to Biden? Genuine question. I'm not American so the details escape me.

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Fragrant_Spray t1_j37pd2o wrote

Because most people aren’t really interested in the issue itself, they’re just using it for political purposes.

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