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JoeGoats t1_j32by5i wrote

Reply to comment by xAtlas5 in Parents Seek Answers After Gun Found in Waxahachie, TX School Bathroom by cdbaca

That seems like an easy answer. You've NEVER forgotten to put something into or take something out of your bag or backpack? You've never set something down and forgotten where you've left it or that you left it? Ya forgetting about a weapon is infinitely more dangerous but we've all forgotten many things. On a side note that administrator should be fired.

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xAtlas5 t1_j32cmyr wrote

Trivial things maybe, but if you carry something habitually (e.g. a wallet, laptop in your backpack) it's very clear when you don't have it. Especially the whole "carrying to protect your students" schtick, it's something I really hope they'd take seriously. Carrying a gun isn't something trivial, especially if it's a chunky mf.

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SacrificialPwn t1_j32fwaf wrote

You answered it, these people see carrying firearms as trivial. It is like car keys or a cell phone to them. This (teacher leaving firearm in a school bathroom) has happened several times, and will inevitably continue while there's acceptance of the practice. The more insane aspect is there would be more outrage if a teacher accidentally left a copy of a state exam, a book containing LGBT themes, or an anti-religious pamphlet in the restroom.

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iStillPlayPS3 t1_j32drw7 wrote

I carry my wallet and phone every day. I’ve still left them at bars / bathrooms etc. Its rare but it’s happened 3 or 4 times in my life

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xAtlas5 t1_j32et8e wrote

What, you don't do the pat down before leaving bars/bathrooms?

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iStillPlayPS3 t1_j32f3yk wrote

Yes I do 99.9% of the time. But over 30 years there’s bound to be a moment or three where you’re in a hurry / something just happened / daydreaming / drunk and forget something important

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xAtlas5 t1_j32hfvk wrote

Have you ever forgotten your kids while out and about? Or a friend's kids who you were looking after? I sincerely hope not, because that says a lot about how self-absorbed you can be.

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iStillPlayPS3 t1_j32kl3v wrote

Holy hell since when is a phone the same as a living breathing child? Are you really saying the two are equal in terms of importance??

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xAtlas5 t1_j32m1f4 wrote

So I'll take that as a no. What makes you think a gun is of equal importance to a phone or a wallet?

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JoeGoats t1_j32f6kl wrote

We get it you're perfect lol you have a perfect record of continuity and contingency. We congratulate you on being among the top .1% of humanity in regards to pocket awareness.

(this isn't about the article it's about the comment specifically)

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xAtlas5 t1_j32g04g wrote

Golly, thank you Mr. stranger!

Don't forget your gun(s) in bathrooms.

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JoeGoats t1_j32g3tb wrote

Yep that's the moral of this story. Punish the guy.

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NotRoryWilliams t1_j339u4i wrote

You can’t tell me you’ve never misplaced your keys, or your phone…

I’m not defending the guy, it’s still wrong, but just because something is wrong doesn’t mean you can’t understand how it would happen. To someone who carries a gun every day, it’s just like keys, wallet, phone including that it can be misplaced as easily.

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xAtlas5 t1_j33egso wrote

In public, no. Anything that would require a significant amount of time, money, and effort I keep track of consistently with ease.

I carry a gun every day. I don't treat it as a trivial part of my daily carry because of how much of a shitstorm I'd be in should I happen to lose it.

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NotRoryWilliams t1_j33f9gg wrote

I don’t think you can speak for everyone. It sounds like you are a responsible carrier so kudos for that. But I’m sure I’ve misplaced something important outside of my home at some point. I can’t recall an example but I’m sure it’s happened in 20+ years of adulthood. Mind you, it was more likely when drunk and out partying, and if I did carry I’d leave it behind on that situation.

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xAtlas5 t1_j33ldrw wrote

I'm not trying to speak for everyone. Accidentally losing a gun doesn't have the same impact that losing a phone or wallet has. Any attempts to compare the two negates the seriousness of carrying a concealed weapon for self defense and the mindset one has while carrying.

Why would you ever treat a loaded weapon with the same triviality that one treats a wallet or keys?

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NotRoryWilliams t1_j33ufs4 wrote

I wouldn’t, but plenty of people do. It varies widely State to state but in many places such as Texas there isn’t an intelligence test before being allowed to carry a gun.

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xAtlas5 t1_j33wcwu wrote

I truly can't understand how or why someone would treat a weapon with such triviality. Truth be told I don't really want to. If you, or anyone for that matter, treated a concealed firearm with the same regard as their keys or phone, why should I trust that they'll respect the basic rules of firearm safety?

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NotRoryWilliams t1_j33xgdh wrote

I agree with you. That’s why I’m wary of how lax our society is about who is allowed to carry guns. I personally choose not to carry for various reasons one of which is that I don’t want to be responsible in the event of such a mistake no matter how unlikely it may be.

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ajaxfetish t1_j34s2mu wrote

> Accidentally losing a gun doesn't have the same impact that losing a phone or wallet has. ...

>Why would you ever treat a loaded weapon with the same triviality that one treats a wallet or keys?

A gun's very different than a wallet or keys, but we don't have separate brains for dealing with important things and trivial things. The same psychological limitations and afflictions apply to them all. There's a reason kids keep getting forgotten in backseats, and it's not because toddlers are trivial.

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JoeGoats t1_j32d8r2 wrote

I'm not saying it wasn't stupid as hell but depending how you carry it's a very possible mistake to make. My guess would be the gun was removed to take a shit and left behind pretty simple but pretty stupid. Again we've all left our phones places we've all left our keys places. I'm not justifying the action just saying it was a stupid question to ask and the administrator was stupid to do it. The administrator should be fired.

Most people don't carry "chunky mother fuckers". Most people carry subcompacts that while about 1 inch thick have the same or smaller foot print than most plus sized phones.

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xAtlas5 t1_j32dx9x wrote

No duh, but even then it should be very, very obvious that you don't have a holster on your waist. The only way a firearm and keys are really comparable in that they're things that are usually carried, but other than that there's a significant weight (both metaphorically and literally) that should be hard for one to forget.

Makes you wonder how seriously they actually take carrying in a school.

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JoeGoats t1_j32ebui wrote

I agree that is why this is probably the first incident of this happening that most of us have read about. On the other bit, have you ever seen the key ring for an administrator or person with extensive access at a large institution that isn't using RFID? I'm an upper management desk jockey and my work key chain weighs the same as my P238 and is less comfortable to carry lol.

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xAtlas5 t1_j32ekut wrote

And yet it's still noticable when you don't have your work keychain, no?

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JoeGoats t1_j32ewxe wrote

I leave my keys on my desk or someone else's desk and have to go back for them about 6 times a year.

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xAtlas5 t1_j32f26a wrote

Man, you must not pay much attention if you don't hear a noisy-ass keychain on your waist.

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JoeGoats t1_j32fsow wrote

I'm not a janitor that shit doesn't go on my waist lol.

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No-Bother6856 t1_j32sf43 wrote

You really just sound like an ass here. How is someone forgetting their keys some "oh your absent minded moron" moment. Thats just a normal human thing that happens.

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xAtlas5 t1_j32tqjh wrote

And you really sound like an idiot if you think that a set of keys, phone, wallet has the same level of importance as a firearm and therefore it's excusable if someone forgets one in a public space.

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No-Bother6856 t1_j32tz0e wrote

When did I ever say that? Oh wait. I DIDN'T. I just responded to your post questioning how this other poster could possibly forget his keys like its some bizare concept.

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xAtlas5 t1_j32v2sk wrote

You didn't, but your reply in defense of the idea that one can somehow equate forgetting keys -- a significant key ring, according to them -- to forgetting a firearm on top of the fact that you said that I "sound like an ass" pretty clearly indicates what you think.

No u.

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No-Bother6856 t1_j330rfa wrote

I didn't reply in defense of that, I replied pointing out you sound like an ass for thinking its unreasonable someone could forget their keys because "how do you not hear them"

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xAtlas5 t1_j335vzm wrote

You kind of did. If you can't hear a lot of keys jangling around that are about equal weight to a P238, and don't notice the lack of the additional weight, you kind of might need to pay more goddamn attention.

Why do you care, anyway? This thread is about people equating keys and whatnot to firearms as if forgetting the former is equivalent to forgetting the latter.

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cantuse t1_j33yql6 wrote

If you misplace a gun while on watch in the military, I guarantee you’re seeing article 15 or captains mast, regardless of context. An armed employee in a school should be held to the same standard.

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N8CCRG t1_j344r9p wrote

Every gun carrier/owner should be held to that standard.

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JoeGoats t1_j3451o0 wrote

I wasn't in the military but isn't Article 15 for minor misconduct? I wouldn't call this minor.

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JoeGoats t1_j345a6b wrote

I submit to you that everyone forgets something and idiots can forget anything.

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