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auntieup t1_iztuit3 wrote

Reply to comment by caliboyeightyeight in Lockerbie bombing suspect in US custody by Smithy2232

The combined value of the lives lost on that plane was calculated in the tens of millions. My friend was one of them. She would be 54 now.

We’ve learned a lot about how international courts “work” in the past 34 years. We are going to make these charges stick.

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kickass236 t1_izuyof2 wrote

Are you implying that every country in the world has a shit justice system compared to America because it sure as all fucks ain't.

EDIT: just to clarify I think the trial should be in Scotland where the attack took place not America. If we arrested the people who did 9/11 and then claimed that well british people died so we are putting them on trial not you you'd all be pissed.

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auntieup t1_izv6l8p wrote

A professor at UC Berkeley School of Law taught students in her civil procedure class that their work began with one question: What would make the client whole?

In this case, the answer is: 270 people still alive. Their families intact. A quiet street in a tiny Scottish town unharmed, no homes on fire, no bodies in its back gardens and fields. All of that has been impossible since 21 December 1988. What we have left now is prosecution.

American courts aren’t perfect. But we’ve developed really robust tort law, over generations, that effectively measures harm and assesses the appropriate responses to it. We’re good at defining horror with dollar amounts. We like making people pay.

The law in the United States is an imperfect system of last resort. This delayed attempt at justice, 34 years after my friend was murdered on her way home from a semester abroad, is the definition of last resort. And I will take it.

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kickass236 t1_izv8kpm wrote

So what your saying is he should be in Scotland awaiting trial since he committed this crime in Scotland where the person who committed the act was put on trial this is a terror attack on scottish soil that killed scottish people too so he should be held to account by our courts not yours. Its not a last resort its an attempt to police the world once again.

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auntieup t1_izvbnnc wrote

That is what you are saying. And you’re making kind of a mess of saying it, lmao.

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kickass236 t1_izvcgcd wrote

Ah yes making a mess of saying that 21 nationalities where involved it happend in Scotland the original person was charged and jailed under scots law so in fact this person too should be being held to account in the uk under scots law this was the biggest terror attack to happen on british soil where the fuck does it involve american soil planes are not sovereign soil. But airspace above Scotland and the houses it crashed into where in Scotland thats all sovereign soil. If one of the attackers was charged tried and found guilty under scots law so should the other

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auntieup t1_izvjisk wrote

LMAO. (cracks knuckles)

The bomb had been assembled in Libya, likely packed into a suitcase in Malta, loaded onto a flight in Germany, and finally planted aboard its destination flight on an American carrier in London. After negotiations with Nelson Mandela and the United Nations, Scottish authorities were placed in charge of the trial of the first two suspects, which was held in the Netherlands. And Scotland did incarcerate the one convicted terrorist until they released him on medical grounds 8 years later. They shouldn’t have done that, but they did. He died 4 years later.

So yes, we tried the collective approach. It failed. This is a murder investigation and the majority of people who were murdered were Americans. We have your uncle in custody and we’re going to try him. If you’re mad about that, you should have told him not to confess to building the bomb a decade ago, lol.

You don’t have to like it. In fact I’m kind of happy about how upset you are.

Merry Christmas.

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kickass236 t1_izvnk4i wrote

Yeah not upset just don't understand how it gets tried in america when it happend it scotland lol. And yeah totally agree we shouldn't have let him leave but don't think anyone on Scotland expect our government at the time did or does. Merry Christmas

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