I had to click on this story since I've heard about the insane facilities for troubled teens. But, I was also confused. How does a teen in Utah die in a hurricane? Oh, there's a place in Utah named Hurricane? Okie dokie.

Its a place in south west Utah

Today I learned.

Me too.

It’s pronounced ”her-a-cun” colloquially. It’s a large treatment facility located in some of the most beautiful landscape in the US.

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I think it's even worse that it wasn't a hurricane

And they pronounce it Hurri-cuhn. Don’t ask me why or how

shame it is being used to legaly kidnap and abuse children

She didn't die in a hurricane , she died in Hurricane, Utah.

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I hope her parents live on for many years and feel very happy.

r/troubledteens these places are abusive and honestly need way more regulation.

Edit: here is an article from November. A lot of these places need to close

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/14/us-wilderness-therapy-camps-troubled-teen-industry-abuse

I just found about these facilities yesterday from a lady on tiktok.

Perhaps sending them her Birthday card every year to remind them of the joy they had!

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>she died in Hurricane, Utah.

...in a massive tropical storm.

No opinion until a cause of death can be determined.

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Don't be surprised if it comes out that they ignored her requests for medical intervention by accusing her of faking it. These places are scams.

I mean, I work in a PRTF. My favorite story from this last week was the patient who shoved salsa in his ears trying to trick the nurse into thinking it was blood so he could go to the hospital. I'm familiar with the issues often found in residential facilities.

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Anyone who sends their child to a facility like this deserves considerable jail time. Fuck “troubled teen” centers.

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You're absolutely right. I had no idea until (I can't believe I'm saying this) Paris Hilton talked about what she went through. Truly horrifying.

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Frankly, if you work in the sort of place where kids are brought in by private companies who are hired to burst into a terrified teenager's room at 2 am and physically drag them out of their home and onto a plane while the parents stand and watch, then I've got nothing more to say to you because you're one of the people ignoring the actually sick or injured children right along with Mr. Salsa Ears.

If you work in a treatment facility which is accredited and staffed with actual trained and licensed mental health professionals instead of ex-con "counselors", then you might want to look into just how awful the other places are.

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She’s a religious nut from UT, I’m certain she believes she’s doing ‘the right thing’. I don’t miss my time in SLC and I feel for all the kids in Oakley, Provo, Hurricane, etc.

As does anyone who works for one or profits from one in any way.

Edit: Dr. Phil and anyone else who promotes or recommends them to desperate parents can get fucked too.

Yep. Paris Hilton isn't some dumb bimbo - that was a VERY carefully manufactured image she used to escape her controlling family. They had a lot of money and very good lawyers, and she knew they could send her back to the abuse ranch at any time, so she cozied up to paparazzis, tabloids, and D-list celebrities. She fabricated an entire lifestyle as a socialite to make sure she had a camera on her at all times so that if she disappeared, it would make national news.

Edit: Also, these so-called "treatment centers" are often used to target gay kids or those who try to leave oppressive religions. They should be re-branded as conversion centers.

Considering how some of the worst of these facilities are indeed in Utah... Yikes.

Where you work: "a non-hospital facility with a provider agreement with a State Medicaid Agency to provide the inpatient services benefit to Medicaid-eligible individuals under the age of 21"

What this is: "a boarding school for troubled teens"

You don't know what you're talking about.

These places are already scams that steal donations and government funds to run a prison for kids, but setting one up in a hurricane is just fucked up.

I spent 2 years in a TTI residential school, they did prone physical restraints all the time, I got restrained a few times for trying to leave and one time a very heavy person sat on my wrist by accident. Obviously they weren't going to bring me to a doctor for getting injured during a restraint, so I never got an x-ray or anything. It didn't heal right and it's still messed up 15 years later. This is not even the worst instance of this happening where I was, other people had even more ridiculous situations of this specific thing happening. Nobody wants to believe this kind of stuff is going on, and until Paris Hilton came forward most people (AFAIK) hadn't even heard of the troubled teen industry. I'm glad it's getting more attention now but it's so overdue and too late for many people who were so traumatized by TTI facilities they're no longer with us. People who work at these places will almost never admit they're wrong, and if they do it'll be 10 years later after something tragic happens with a statement of "I thought it was right at the time but now looking back I'm not sure if we did as much good as we thought".

Please tell me at what point I said anything worth arguing over. All I said was that I was not willing to have an opinion on this without more information.

Edit: According to its website, Diamond Ranch Academy is accredited by the Joint Commission. I do wonder how recently CMS has come by for an audit.

Salsa Ears actually is really unwell, hence his placement at this facility. He has psychosis and frequent aggression, but therapy and medications are helping. He just doesn't have a brain bleed. I'm sorry if something I said triggered you, because I fully recognize how terrible some of these places are. I am acutely aware of the abuses that can occur to these children. I'm just not willing to throw judgment on this facility with such little information.

I remember reading about Tranquility Bay on the Something Awful forums yeeeeeears back. This has been going on far too long. I'm sorry you had to endure the trauma of one of those places, and it's such bullshit that you're still suffering the effects.

> I'm familiar with the issues often found in residential facilities.

You don't know shit all about the "troubled teen" industry or how it operates. How's that for starters?

LOL. I'm an RTC employee commenting on an article about a JC-accredited RTC, but I'm the one who doesn't know what they're talking about. You're just arguing to argue.

The fucking audacity of these parents having large men, complete strangers, enter their children's rooms in the middle of the night and say "you're coming with us no matter what" and forcibly take them to these camps is sickening. Any teen who gets "gooned", parental approved literal kidnapping, is ethically in the right to take any means necessary to rescue themselves in my personal opinion.

If you have to resort for strange men to enter your childs room in the middle of the night without warning to fucking kidnap them and have some fucking group in the middle of nowhere deal with them, congratulations, you failed as a parent. I don't give a shit what these kids did, you handle it as a family and get proper mental health care.

And you're defending what is, in all likelihood, a case of abuse or neglect in an industry where abuse and neglect are endemic. There are two possibilities: you've worked in an abusive "teen correction" facility and are yourself completely implicated, or you have not and don't understand how corrupt and dangerous they are.

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Because they are part of the abusive system. Abusers never admit they're abusers.

I was thinking that the subhumans who run those places just saved themselves during a hurricane and left the kids under their "care" to ride out an actual hurricane.

Hot take: if a child kills themselves under your care, you're fucking responsible

You can't tell me where I'm defending the RTC, because at no point have I done so. You're so blinded by your desire to be right that you can't even read right now. Take a step back.

This article seems off somehow, immediate action was taken, she was "well-loved", condolences offered, but not gonna release more information.

Why am I not shocked that you’re a Christian and defending these types of facilities.

I completely agree, which is why I've been railing against a different PRTF for a few weeks now and advocating for it to get shut down. Not online; in my real job at a real PRTF where it actually matters.

Why am I not shocked that someone with no reading comprehension is creeping through my profile.

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If the parents are abusive, they probably wouldn't want mental health care, they might become a subject of investigation.

I never knew that about her, definitely changes my opinion

Apparently hurricane is the name of a town in Utah lol. I too thought she died in a literal hurricane

It’s public information, stop deflecting

It's like another planet at these places. They'll say they're "therapeutic boarding schools" but not actually employ therapists. They also say they're "college preparatory" but where I went most of the teachers are just random people from AA or NA with no actual teaching qualifications. This place had nurses, but they were LPNs and the RN who was supposed to be supervising them didn't actually work there. They didn't do any meaningful physical check-ups (at least where I was all they did was weigh every student monthly), so if where this person went was anything like where I was nobody would have noticed she was sick or done anything about it. Totally crazy, I really wonder what it will take to shut them all down.

You’d be surprised. More cunning abusers can readily have a therapist wrapped around their finger before the teen/kid/whoever figures out that abuse is the source of their issue. Then you have the very dangerous situation of a therapist reinforcing them, and simultaneously causing the victim to conclude that mental health professionals are not safe, even if they do eventually escape.

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I’ve had friends kidnapped in their sleep and taken to Utah or Minnesota. It’s a pretty fked up recount if you ever can talk to someone who went through it.

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Highly recommend the podcast "Sent Away" for anyone that wants to learn more about the subject. Utah is a haven for these types of "troubled teen" centers.

This is brilliant. I'm so sorry for her, that she had to endure that and had to put her entire life out there for protection in visibility. I don't know much about her personally, but her testimony to congress was very well done and her activism against these centers has made me respect her so much.

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ALL OF THE “THERAPISTS” AT THESE MORMON RUN UTAH CENTERS OWN FINANCIAL STEAKS IN WILDERNESS PROGRAMS AND HALFWAY HOMES

THIS IS MORMON KIDS 4 CASH

FULL FUCKING STOP. They make money off of “enrolling/abducting” kids not only in their program(s), but also commissions off of “enrolling/abducting” them into other related programs. I have met people from so many programs who know the same therapists or have heard the same names while forced into these abusive and beyond questionable “treatment centers/wilderness programs.”

I repeat, these assholes tell parents whatever they want to hear so they can fulfill enrollment capacity for their program so they can enrich themselves. So many of the teens sent to r/troubledteens are broken or left homeless after the endeavor; many of them are lgbt youth sent from out of state homes that hate them.

A considerable portion of people who have been sent to these programs say their relationship with their parents was forever broken and beyond irreparable. Many cut contact permanently. The same is true for summarily abandoned parents who regret ever listening to the therapist-cons into creating this fairyland picture of ”what could be.”

If any reporter wants to do a serious modern expose with some major fucking meat on the bone, I have names for you and can lead you to a really interesting financial trail. This is legitimately Kids 4 Cash Mormon style, even entire townships are in on the grift (some center/wilderness owners/workers also are civic public servants).

Also, this is a back-door method in which conversion therapy is essentially made legal

Also Edit: These programs also lease the teens out to places like the Park Services or even Utah State correctional work programs to build trails breaking granite boulders in the mountains or for other menial labor purposes. They literally lease teen “therapy” prisoners out in work programs even though practically none of them are actual criminals- their parents can just send them there and have them treated this way. There’s no vetting process for entrance, just a full-fill capacity, even overfill capacities in some cases. You meet some of the most abused people in these programs being forced to deal with more because these Mormons only believe in their model familial unit.

There was recently a case where an emancipated teen was sent to one of these programs by his mother as both a means of revenge for exposing her in court and for maintaining control over him. Go to r/troubledteens for more information.

She has a documentary on youtube. It's pretty interesting. You can watch her get anxious/triggered and then the baby voice kicks in.

She's coping.

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It's probably your post history plus this.

State run treatment facilities are not what these are. Having lived in Utah I can confirm many of the folks there want these all to go away.

HOWEVER.

Some 'facilities' out there - like MSPA, and similar ones in the larger cities - are quite actually pre school for spoiled and sometimes nutty rich kids. No one here would want to hear that.

Calling it a "treatment facility" is like calling a federal prison an "education and wellness center"

I'm not surprised he's trying everything he can think of to have a chance at getting out, even if it's to a hospital. I'm not willing to trust you with so little information.

Honestly I knew a few kids whose parents sent them to places like this ~15 years ago, and it’s not nearly the evil thing you’re making it out to be. The decision to do it was hard as fuck on the parents, and in each case it came after they had tried over and over to use softer/better methods. A lot of the times the only possible outcomes at that point are the kids get gooned by the facilities, or gooned by the cops straight to juvy.

I think, done right, these facilities can be a good thing for troubled kids. The problem is a lot of stuff is coming out now about how some of them do really fucked up stuff, which most of the time the parents didn’t know about.

Why would they release more information about the death of a minor?

Sounds like they are grooming them to me.

Yes, my post history full of... what, exactly?

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Di the troubled teens have to be in Hurricanes to be admitted?

Why didn't they just stick to the facts? Instead they went on and on with concern and apology, then to say they're not gonna provide more info when that is exactly what they have done. That's what I mean by the article seeming off, it's an unusual news-writing pattern.

This article is as cookie cutter as it gets for something like this so I have really no clue what you’re talking about. Are you mad they’re not giving specific details to the media? Most people consider that a good thing.

Obviously you and I disagree about the article being cookie cutter. "no clue"? If you have trouble understanding the journalism pattern, then perhaps you should rest and reread to digest again? Maybe even a sleep cycle to refresh your mind?

>Academy officials said they are awaiting the autopsy results to know exactly what happened before releasing more information publicly.

>That is also the position from Hurricane Police. Raddatz said due to the nature of the incident and the investigation being open, no other information would be released including the identity of the girl.

>“The Hurricane City Police Department extends our sincerest condolences to the family and friends of the student, the staff and students at the school, as well as the first responders involved with this incident,” Hurricane Police said in a statement released to the media.

Too many words. And the police have a position? Weird word choice. stgeorgeutah.com ?

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Her-i-cun

Hey, I went to some of these programs when I was younger. There was a strong theme among the kids I met, myself included, that a lot of the them came from very emotionally abusive or straight up dangerous situations. And I dont have any pity for the parents. 90% of the parents are people who like the idea of raising children but without the follow through. They talk about how hard it is on the parents, but those are adults, the kids really suffer in the long term unless they get extremely lucky with which program they enter. At the end of the day, these programs are a business. And the saddest part is, the "really fucked up stuff" isn't even hidden from a lot of the parents, the parents just don't care.

Yeah I was at caliente in Nevada, there was no hot water through the winter. They refused to fix it. On the plus side when you’re freezing you have to excercise and then you get jacked :)

I think it is just because the place is full of dumb rednecks.

Nah, fuck that. Those places should burn to the ground.

I have a lot of respect for Paris Hilton

I've experienced this and it's really hard to get out of. The gaslighting and everything else is very isolating. My father went around warning everyone I was a thief when I was 23. No one would help me. It's fucking terrible. Proving a negative. Fuck insurance companies. Fuck psychiatrists. Fuck Behavioral Hospitals. "Just because we don't have any evidence means we just haven't caught you in the act." How can you defend against something like that? My father was a doctor and people believed he was infallible. He literally had the police believing I joined ISIS in 2014. I fucking hate all those people.

I do as well now

Yes, that’s better. It’s cun, not con. Thanks!

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It appears that this camp is a place that systematically abuses kids:

https://www.breakingcodesilence.org/diamond-ranch-academy/