Jasonotg0 t1_j19kiy9 wrote on December 22, 2022 at 5:52 PM

Reply to comment by Playcrackersthesky in 17-year-old girl dies at treatment facility for troubled teens in Hurricane by ninjascotsman

The fucking audacity of these parents having large men, complete strangers, enter their children's rooms in the middle of the night and say "you're coming with us no matter what" and forcibly take them to these camps is sickening. Any teen who gets "gooned", parental approved literal kidnapping, is ethically in the right to take any means necessary to rescue themselves in my personal opinion.

If you have to resort for strange men to enter your childs room in the middle of the night without warning to fucking kidnap them and have some fucking group in the middle of nowhere deal with them, congratulations, you failed as a parent. I don't give a shit what these kids did, you handle it as a family and get proper mental health care.

chockedup t1_j19n1qf wrote on December 22, 2022 at 6:09 PM

If the parents are abusive, they probably wouldn't want mental health care, they might become a subject of investigation.

HaloGuy381 t1_j19pmjk wrote on December 22, 2022 at 6:25 PM

You’d be surprised. More cunning abusers can readily have a therapist wrapped around their finger before the teen/kid/whoever figures out that abuse is the source of their issue. Then you have the very dangerous situation of a therapist reinforcing them, and simultaneously causing the victim to conclude that mental health professionals are not safe, even if they do eventually escape.

ToxicKnurdles t1_j1brnw1 wrote on December 23, 2022 at 3:14 AM

I've experienced this and it's really hard to get out of. The gaslighting and everything else is very isolating. My father went around warning everyone I was a thief when I was 23. No one would help me. It's fucking terrible. Proving a negative. Fuck insurance companies. Fuck psychiatrists. Fuck Behavioral Hospitals. "Just because we don't have any evidence means we just haven't caught you in the act." How can you defend against something like that? My father was a doctor and people believed he was infallible. He literally had the police believing I joined ISIS in 2014. I fucking hate all those people.

Wads_Worthless t1_j1aarav wrote on December 22, 2022 at 8:44 PM

Honestly I knew a few kids whose parents sent them to places like this ~15 years ago, and it’s not nearly the evil thing you’re making it out to be. The decision to do it was hard as fuck on the parents, and in each case it came after they had tried over and over to use softer/better methods. A lot of the times the only possible outcomes at that point are the kids get gooned by the facilities, or gooned by the cops straight to juvy.

I think, done right, these facilities can be a good thing for troubled kids. The problem is a lot of stuff is coming out now about how some of them do really fucked up stuff, which most of the time the parents didn’t know about.

Mackooba t1_j1bbbg3 wrote on December 23, 2022 at 1:06 AM

Hey, I went to some of these programs when I was younger. There was a strong theme among the kids I met, myself included, that a lot of the them came from very emotionally abusive or straight up dangerous situations. And I dont have any pity for the parents. 90% of the parents are people who like the idea of raising children but without the follow through. They talk about how hard it is on the parents, but those are adults, the kids really suffer in the long term unless they get extremely lucky with which program they enter. At the end of the day, these programs are a business. And the saddest part is, the "really fucked up stuff" isn't even hidden from a lot of the parents, the parents just don't care.

jmeesonly t1_j1bo0s6 wrote on December 23, 2022 at 2:45 AM

Nah, fuck that. Those places should burn to the ground.