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EcstaticRaisin959 t1_j0hz4bk wrote

A certain major medical provider in the US, primarily in WA, is no longer directing healthcare workers with COVID to self-quarantine as they are tired of having to pay workers' compensation benefits.

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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_j0ice6m wrote

I was gonna say. We definitely do this in America too.

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EcstaticRaisin959 t1_j0ichsc wrote

But you see when we do something it's because of freedom, when China does it it's because they are very very bad

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WickedDemiurge t1_j0j0bg8 wrote

The thing that is startling to many is the sheer hypocrisy of this after China has been using torture-like lockdowns to fight COVID on one hand, and then cavalierly infecting people by having contagious health care workers spread the infection on the other. The US has been fairly consistent in the last year with a "we have a vaccine that works very well, so please get it," policy, by comparison.

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Only a month ago ten people died in a fire, exacerbated due to COVID restrictions, and Chinese officials commented, “Some residents’ ability to rescue themselves was too weak … and they failed to escape.”

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China is an extreme authoritarian state that has mishandled COVID extensively. They don't need your defense.

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supaloopar t1_j0j6jrd wrote

Zero Covid was designed with the assumption all countries would practise quarantined to snuff out the disease in unison. You know, the same practises being advocated by the advanced nations when poor countries have outbreaks?

Well, that underlying assumptions was false.

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WickedDemiurge t1_j0j89z0 wrote

If China was on the dark side of the moon and had design their policy without communication with other humans, this would be a defense, but it is not.

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China knows that almost all other nations have stopped lock-downs and quarantines a long time ago for three reasons:

a. they are incredibly disruptive to human quality of life

b. COVID has an absurdly high R0 and is very difficult to control from spreading

c. The mRNA vaccines are exceedingly effective at preventing severe disease

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China is also still doing weird things like practicing surface disinfection which has been shown to be more or less worthless as COVID does not reliably transmit through surfaces, but through airborne droplets.

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Their policy is arguably bad even in a vacuum, but obviously absurd when given what everyone else is doing. It's an open question if we could have stopped COVID from becoming endemic if we had rigorously enforced quarantine during the first few months, but that's been a complete impossibility for a long time now. I was in favor of very strict quarantine at the beginning, but policy needs to change with the times.

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A vaccination first strategy is the best path forward, along with general infectious disease control steps like mandatory paid sick days for all workers, requiring health care providers to stay home when sick, etc.

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in-game_sext t1_j0je5uc wrote

I think it still rightly freaks people out because the Chinese government is famously impartial to the quality of life or well-being of their population. They have a long track record of putting productivity at the top end of all public interests. Why do they care so much about this still, at the extreme detriment of things like business and productivity? Personally it sometimes makes me think they still know something about it that we don't.

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Kale t1_j0jb2y5 wrote

Zero COVID policy might have made sense with the original strain, alpha variant, and maybe Delta variant. After omicron, zero COVID is not feasible and not effective.

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sapphicsandwich t1_j0ufudo wrote

It's known to be false so it's absurd to continue on pretending everyone else is going to do it. They should act according to reality, not hopes and dreams.

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circumtopia t1_j0jcyy3 wrote

Lmao consistent. What a bunch of bullshit. They've gone from omg covid is going to doom us... We need vaccines to attend a concert to "just work through it". They mishandled? Why don't you compare deaths per capita? Even foreigners in China can admit that lockdown shit worked despite how much it was despised eventually. They were consistent for years until omicron is now becoming far less deadly than before thereby avoiding the mass deaths during delta that the US experienced. But do go on your high horse.

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bagelizumab t1_j0iuru6 wrote

Yeah. Admins are free to get bigger bonus for their boats. It was promised in the bill of rights bro! Freedom of Assembly of huge piles of cash by doing terrible and unethical things.

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Street-Badger t1_j0ku9n5 wrote

It’s not that surprising to see health care administrators lining up with the CCP, it’s the same personality type after all.

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Valyrian_Kobolds t1_j0io3e3 wrote

Is it Swedish? It's Swedish isn't it

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EcstaticRaisin959 t1_j0ioug2 wrote

Hahahaha, Swedish are such dicks, but they are not who I am speaking of. I'd be shocked to find out the health system I have certain knowledge of is the only one doing this though.

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in-game_sext t1_j0jdpek wrote

Why be so shy about the name? Doesn't make sense. I guess it doesn't matter though, all hospital corporations are like that these days anyways.

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mhc-ask t1_j0iqtn8 wrote

I doubt they were paying much at all. They will fight tooth and nail to make you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you got COVID from work and not from the general public. More likely they are running out of warm bodies to keep the hospital running and want people to keep working even if they're positive.

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EcstaticRaisin959 t1_j0iro69 wrote

And you would be wrong, WA passed a law early in 2020 that said front line and healthcare workers were presumed to have caught covid at work unless there was a preponderance of evidence against it, the state has been allowing claims any time a healthcare worker was directed to quarantine by their employer. Hence said employer not wanting to direct workers to quarantine anymore.

Edit: WA is a very worker friendly jurisdiction and I'm certain that other states have made things hell for sick healthcare workers

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mhc-ask t1_j0ix546 wrote

That's actually really good to hear. This was not the case when I was in Virginia.

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mhc-ask t1_j0iqufs wrote

I doubt they were paying much at all. They will fight tooth and nail to make you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you got COVID from work and not from the general public. More likely they are running out of warm bodies to keep the hospital running and want people to keep working even if they're positive.

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