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Bisquatchi t1_j2c8yww wrote

Crazy that we still don’t know the motive behind the shooting.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2cn49e wrote

Replying to twoeightnine (#1,212,358)

Ah, accelerationist. Damn, yeah they definitely skipped over fema death camp believer in all the news stuff I watched. Those were the maga people of the early Obama era. Suppressed because law enforcement is full of those people. They were like “I see nothing wrong here! It just blows my mind!”

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2cnqux wrote

Replying to ForgotMyOldLoginInfo (#1,215,170)

Just found an article about it. When this first happened I remember reading about what was known about him and they didn’t have any mental health stuff at the time. I guess we need better mental health care, and mental health education. Seems like this could have been spotted a long time before it happened.

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little_gnora t1_j2cvldf wrote

It’s always terrifying to me that this is the deadliest mass shooting in US history to date and it’s barely even a blip on the radar. :(

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heyman- t1_j2dm3aj wrote

Replying to halfischer (#1,223,109)

it's a pretty long article. here are the relevant bits for anyone who can't figure out a bypass solution

>Paddock “had an obsession with guns” and would become angry when challenged on the Second Amendment, according to Adam LeFevre, who dated the sister of Paddock’s partner. Paddock “made it very clear he would have no part of gun ownership restrictions,” said LeFevre, who got a glimpse of Paddock’s well-stocked gun room during a tour of his home, in another interview. Indeed, by the time of the attack, Paddock had amassed an arsenal of some 80 firearms, mostly assault-style rifles, in addition to stockpiling ammunition and some survivalist equipment — another glaring attribute of the far right.

>“He was animated about the government and the tax system,” LeFevre told us in an email. “He was outspoken about the inadequacies and waste of the government.”

>Paddock’s ardent opposition to gun restrictions bled into his embrace of a number of the debunked conspiracy theories that have helped to fuel a rise in right-wing extremism in recent years, according to the statements collected by the Las Vegas police, as well as interviews with journalists.

>The month before the shooting, one unnamed associate recounted to Las Vegas police detectives that Paddock tried to bribe him into selling a gun part used to convert a semiautomatic firearm into a fully automatic machine gun, demonstrating a total disregard for federal firearms laws. When the associate refused because he said it would be illegal, Paddock reportedly became enraged and made references to a litany of anti-government conspiracy theories, including supposed plans by the Federal Emergency Management Administration to set up “detention camps” of Americans and plans for widespread confiscation of firearms. Paddock believed that Hurricane Katrina in 2005 “was just a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and confiscating guns,” the associate said.

>“He was kind of fanatical about this stuff,” the associate added, quoting Paddock as saying that “somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves.”

>Another witness interviewed in the investigation gave a similar account of Paddock’s fixation on anti-government conspiracy theories. A 27-year-old Las Vegas sex worker, who said she spent many hours drinking and gambling with Paddock, described him as “paranoid” and said that he would often rant about the American government’s orchestration of the Sept. 11 attacks.

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heyman- t1_j2dm8xu wrote

Replying to heyman- (#1,224,872)

the rest of the article (and there's a lot more) focuses on the climate of right-wing attacks that we saw around the time though there is a little more background on Paddock

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WirelessBCupSupport t1_j2dyjuo wrote

Replying to EsotericAbstractIdea (#1,215,804)

I think the failure for the laws to change that permitted the coverage of mental health, was the beginning of the end.

We need support of our citizens that don't have a solid family or foundation. Individuals have more stress on them without recourse or support. And access to that, penalizes them as "mental" label.

There are some I've met, that clearly had physical and physiological issues which would flag, "no, they should own a gun" and yet they do. And not just one. Don't even question them about it, or watch them get furious like some deprivation.

Everyone should have a mental health professional, just as anyone has a general doctor.

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JustRelaxYo t1_j2e894d wrote

I find it crazy that people seem to have just forgotten one of the biggest events of our lives.

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speaking_moistly t1_j2e8e0w wrote

i had two friends die in this shooting and my best friend survived. RIP

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Nauin t1_j2edg6f wrote

Replying to EsotericAbstractIdea (#1,214,950)

He loved guns. Of course he's not going to have documentation of mental illness. Those two rarely if ever go hand in hand.

Like I'm friends with a few arms dealers. Ones got a lot of integrity in what he does but is also suffering from depression and anxiety. Can't talk to a doctor to get meds and he can't smoke weed or even CBD products or he'll lose his license. Like it's frustrating because he's able to talk to friends and get some minor support from us but he should be able to get actual professional help without having to lose his entire business.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2edz9j wrote

Replying to Nauin (#1,234,294)

Yeah that’s the problem with red flag laws. They have a chilling effect on getting mental health care instead of getting firearms. Cannabis prohibition needs to end asap with all the research we have and evidence of a failed drug war.

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EsotericAbstractIdea t1_j2ejdar wrote

Replying to The_ODB_ (#1,236,071)

Yeah, another poster alerted me to this fact. When it happened, everyone around him seemed mystified like he was just some chill accountant who kept to himself and gambled a lot. Didn't know he was fema death camp proto-maga. I guess the clue should have been he stopped fucking his girlfriend for a whole year.

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keskeskes1066 t1_j2emydg wrote

Replying to EsotericAbstractIdea (#1,214,950)

The typical MAGA domestic terrorist has led a live of privilege, safety, and wealth compared to those whom they usually hate.

They have no objective reasons for their behavior. Yet, their emotional fragility, combined with learned victimhood and hate on social media/Fox pushes them over the edge.

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celebrityDick t1_j2enxt8 wrote

Replying to Nauin (#1,234,294)

> He loved guns. Of course he's not going to have documentation of mental illness. Those two rarely if ever go hand in hand.

> Like I'm friends with a few arms dealers. Ones got a lot of integrity in what he does but is also suffering from depression and anxiety. Can't talk to a doctor to get meds and he can't smoke weed or even CBD products or he'll lose his license. Like it's frustrating because he's able to talk to friends and get some minor support from us but he should be able to get actual professional help without having to lose his entire business.

Another example of gun regulations actually causing the reverse of their purported intent. A lot of American combat vets are in the same boat. If they talk about their ptsd and depression, they lose their gun rights; so they don't talk about it

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chrisaphoto t1_j2epola wrote

Replying to Bisquatchi (#1,211,674)

Agreed. FBI found no motive by the time they closed their inquiry. Even crazier is his dad was a bank robber on the FBI most wanted list, and his brother was arrested shortly after for child porn.

Garbage family.

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chrisaphoto t1_j2eqrex wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,238,566)

No, like I literally say in my comment, I was responding to your original claim that the FBI had determined that that was his motive, which you have now removed from your comment.

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ExistingCarry4868 t1_j2f95fj wrote

Ah the old reddit switcheroo, natives building haunted buildings on the site of a white people massacre.

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AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2f9ecp wrote

Replying to rebo9520 (#1,245,640)

Fine then, if you’d like to be pedantic the most deadly mass shooting, on American soil, is the Battle of Antietam.

Glad we covered that, on to: the relevant shit that actually matters, like the actual definition of mass shooting this title is referring to.

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rebo9520 t1_j2f9lyr wrote

Replying to AskingAndQuestioning (#1,245,872)

Wounded knee being a mass shooting is just as pedantic as Pearl Harbor or Antietam. When people say mass shooting they are almost always referring to these lone wolf revenge fantasy fucks, not planned military actions whether they be war crimes or not.

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AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2fajqo wrote

Replying to rebo9520 (#1,246,121)

I questioned your logic, researched very briefly about the most fatal us military battle, confirmed Pearl Harbor wasn’t a deadly masa shooting, and answered your brilliant questions. Explain the misnomer to me? Quite the “nou”, my friend.

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rebo9520 t1_j2fay7m wrote

Replying to AskingAndQuestioning (#1,246,320)

My friend, I am merely pointing out that calling wounded knee a “mass shooting” leads to every battle ever on us soil being a mass shooting. Therefor either wounded knee isn’t a mass shooting or if it is it isn’t the most deadly. Pearl Harbor is just a good comparison for wounded knee because it wasn’t a battle planned for by both sides and the countries weren’t at war yet.

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AskingAndQuestioning t1_j2fbvzr wrote

Replying to rebo9520 (#1,246,469)

Calling Wounded Knee a “battle” is where you’re mistaken. And while we weren’t “at-war” on paper with Japan before Pearl Harbor, we were funding the Allies (hence the attack). Saying we weren’t“in a war” before Pearl Harbor is like saying the Cold War wasn’t a war.

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Maynard078 t1_j2fi2pq wrote

Wasn’t the shooter just a responsible gun owner though?

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