Cloaked42m t1_j1b99gg wrote
Reply to comment by Isosceles_Kramer79 in DC Police Officers Found Guilty in Karon Hylton-Brown’s Death by foodude84
It was a good arrest and conviction. They tried to pull him over to see if he was going to run.
They had no evidence of a crime.
The resulting chase ends in the suspects death.
It's a good thing to remind police that they need to follow the law.
Isosceles_Kramer79 t1_j1be62e wrote
Why did he run?
And it was he who crashed. Murder charges were pure political witch hunt.
BearGryllsUrineSlurp t1_j1cv0ua wrote
Their job is to know who gang members are and they had Intel he was going to retaliate against another gang member. They found him breaking a traffic law and attempted to stop him but he ran and got hit by a car. Nothing in there is against policy and they had enough probable cause to stop him, he decided to run and got himself killed.
Cops broke department policy, not the law.
Cloaked42m t1_j1cvcj2 wrote
Cop broke policy resulting in the death of a human. They lied to investigators about why they wanted to stop him.
If your doctor broke policy and it resulted in the death of your asshole brother in law, you'd still want the doctor to face justice.
BearGryllsUrineSlurp t1_j1cvp2y wrote
Doctors do that more often than you think, but they don’t face criminal trials they face civil trials. They charged them criminally not civilly
Cloaked42m t1_j1cx81l wrote
So follow that thought.
Police should, at a minimum, have malpractice insurance, peer reviews, continuing education, and licensing boards.
In this case, because the officers lied about what they were doing, one was convicted of second-degree murder.
Both were convicted of conspiracy to obstruct and obstruction.
In addition, the city will catch a lawsuit for civil rights violations.
Maybe next time, officers in that precinct will follow policy and not lie about if they make a mistake. Or, officers can police themselves and form licensing boards, get malpractice insurance, do monthly peer reviews, and all the other things necessary to be trusted again.
BearGryllsUrineSlurp t1_j1cxhtp wrote
They have licensing boards and civilian review boards already. No insurance is going to offer coverage based on how often cops are sued even when they’re determined to be completely justified. Todays environment doesn’t offer it to be feasible. This also doesn’t fit the crime of murder which will be easy to appeal, that was a political charge. Obstruction is the only charge that fits their actions.
And what civil rights did the department violate? This is part of the issue, claims that make no sense being filled, thus insurance stays away.
Cloaked42m t1_j1czq07 wrote
Doctors get malpractice insurance. Lawyers get malfeasance insurance. People will insure officers also. Insurance is just covering a bet. You can always find someone to cover a bet.
Civil right violation was that he had the right to be alive. Directly due to the officers action, he isn't alive.
Also, due process. You can't randomly pull someone over because you "think" they "might" have a gun.
Long story short. We want good cops. That means we need to trust cops. Part of trusting them means knowing that if they fuck up, they will suffer consequences.
These cops fucked up, someone died, they are paying the price for their fatal fuckup.
BearGryllsUrineSlurp t1_j1d0nn4 wrote
That’s not what a civil rights violation is, and again it’s been brought up for years about insurance but still not one insurance company wants to or has offered it.
Also due process is not what reasonable suspicion is, the man was being stopped for a helmet violation which is a legal stop. He was then going to be questioned about the details of the retaliation. Completely legal and a justified stop.
The only fuckup these guys did was break department policy, and if that brings criminal charges then I doubt blame them for becoming short staffed soon.
Cloaked42m t1_j1d2len wrote
Dude, read the article. They lied about it being a valid stop. They admitted they lied.
They hit the lights to see if he would run.
They broke policy, resulting in the DEATH of a human.
They didn't flub some paperwork. A guy died.
BearGryllsUrineSlurp t1_j1d2rk8 wrote
The guy died because HE decided to run, the cops broke DEPARTMENT policy stating not to chase.
The guy died as a result of his own actions, the cops didn’t force him to run.
Cloaked42m t1_j1d69pw wrote
Dude, that doesn't make a lick of sense even on the surface.
Cops break the law by attempting to pull someone over for no reason. That's the initiating action. Everything after that is the cops responsibility.
They then chase him around, again breaking policy, which is a continuing action. Probably what took it from reckless homicide to 2nd degree murder.
These are also police officers. They have reason to know better. We have reasons to EXPECT better.
tl;dr Cops do their job right - Guy doesn't die.
He's dead as a direct result of the initiating action of cops not doing their job right.
BearGryllsUrineSlurp t1_j1d6tfv wrote
Your first sentence contradicts everything, they were attempting to pull him over for a helmet violation and riding on the sidewalk. Not even the prosecutor said the stop was unjustified. You decide to ignore this.
Also breaking policy does not justify murder at all, there is no intent on the officers to kill him. If anything it would be negligent homicide and that’s a stretch.
You reaching everywhere to defend a guy that knowingly and consciously decided to take a risk by running from the police in a residential area where the chance of an accident is high. You keep trying to push the blame of him fleeing the stop as the cops fault.
Hypothetically If the stop was unjustified he still can’t run since he doesn’t know the reason for the stop, and that’s a COURT issue not a self made decision.
Cloaked42m t1_j1d95y9 wrote
It is the cops fault for trying to stop him in the first place.
Go read the article. They lied about the helmet violation and riding on the sidewalk. They admitted that they only tried to pull him over to see if he would run.
BearGryllsUrineSlurp t1_j1df61a wrote
The body cam still shows him clearly riding in the sidewalk and in a reckless manner. Even if you believe you did nothing wrong you still cannot run from the police. It’s a court matter. How are you missing that point it was his choice to run?
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