East-Worker4190 t1_j27e7mv wrote on December 30, 2022 at 4:26 AM

Reply to comment by Thoughtful_Mouse in One of eight teen girls charged in Toronto stabbing death granted bail by liquid_deflation

In the uk we have (had?) joint venture. If you were at the murder, even if you didn't hold the knife, you were a murderer. In this case it looks like they are all co-conspirators to murder/manslaughter at least.

Thoughtful_Mouse t1_j27rvwl wrote on December 30, 2022 at 6:38 AM

Same in the US, but like... if you were there and ran away afraid, but quickly decided that you should go to the police... or if you planned the murder with the person who did the actual stabbing... or if you were coerced into participating...

Even if many of these folks conspired to murder it wouldn't surprise me if when tried separately the sentencing works out different based on their level of involvement and their behavior before during and after.

East-Worker4190 t1_j27vis2 wrote on December 30, 2022 at 7:21 AM

Completely agree with the joint venture not being a great solution. I think the example case is people break into the house, the owner shot one burglar, now the the others are prosecuted for murder. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/09/24/a-person-can-be-charged-with-murder-even-if-they-haven-t-killed-anyone