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UncannyTarotSpread t1_j0hv35w wrote

Reply to comment by d0rito5 in Aromatherapy spray that killed two people in a multistate outbreak also killed pet raccoon by AudibleNod

Just in time for the resistance shitstorm, yay!

Oh, and WHO says we’ve run out of cholera vaccines: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/global-stockpile-cholera-vaccines-empty-or-extremely-low-who-2022-12-16/?taid=639c9bdefbe2520001632e05

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barrinmw t1_j0i1e4e wrote

Isn't it amazing, lockdowns ended over a year ago and we are now running short on things we had in abundance before. Hell, we still haven't fixed the baby formula issue yet. I suspect some other type of fuckery is going on.

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ArrowheadDZ t1_j0istio wrote

Isn’t it possible that the “fuckery” is actually just society kicking a lot of really important cans down the road for decades, and the pandemic was simply a trigger event?

From climate to infrastructure to labor policy to classism to distribution of wealth, we have a number of deep structural issues. The current “way” was never sustainable and many have been warning of that unsustainability at the top of their lungs for decades… to skeptics that largely didn’t give two shits and deliberately discredited them.

Now, the things they have been warning of are coming to fruition, and they continue to be insulted and dismissed. The things they have been warning us about for years are still being dismissed as just “fuckery” being committed by bad actors… which just continues the denials that the problems are actually systemic.

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pegothejerk t1_j0i7gg3 wrote

It’s not suspicious, it was expected and warned about for decades. The cholera outbreak is a third larger than previous outbreaks, that easily explains the issue there.

Diseases were a known growing issue thanks to the warming of the planet, the resulting displacement of various animals and thawing/changing environments, leading to new infectious crossovers, which means more hosts and more chances for mutations, which means an increase in the number of endemic and pandemic issues. When that happens and effects the human population supply chains are disrupted, which can delay regular supplies for years beyond the end of the biological issue. With something as big as Covid we lost and will lose in future endemic and pandemic events a ton of experts and critical workers, and traditional forms of funding as those responsible for that work die or become severely ill.

China’s lockdowns are just starting to be eased, their economy has finally been taking a hit this year as production reduced, which disrupts everyone as China is a global primary manufacturer. We will see disruptions from that for a long time.

A pandemic or any globally impacting event being “over” in how it affects you personally doesn’t mean it’s over for everyone else and other underlying markets that service the global marketplace. Same with the environmental damage that’s been done so far, just somehow going neutral on the damage we deal out wouldn’t fix the runaway snowball problems we’ve already started.

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Miguel-odon t1_j0irfq1 wrote

Just wait until Yellow Fever and Malaria come back to the American South.

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UncannyTarotSpread t1_j0ku5yu wrote

Oh, it’s gonna be even more fun, because we’re gonna get all the “fun” tropical illnesses that were kept out by the cold.

Dengue fever time, baybeeeee

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barrinmw t1_j0i95qp wrote

Except it isn't just this vaccine. This month alone there has been a shortage of 110 medicines. https://www.ashp.org/drug-shortages/current-shortages/drug-shortages-list?page=CurrentShortages&sort=2

A big one is Amoxicillin.

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pegothejerk t1_j0id2co wrote

Yes, because almost every industry has been affected for years now. I just explained that.

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Rowan_cathad t1_j0ipcri wrote

I really don't know what point you're trying to make lmao, that there's shortages in just about every industry because of a global pandemic impacting every single aspect of life for 2 years, with 7 MILLION dead?

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barrinmw t1_j0uhgzx wrote

Okay? And businesses can't fix their supply lines in 2 years? Or are they milking it by purposefully creating shortages to drive up prices?

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Rowan_cathad t1_j0v2hw6 wrote

You can't suddenly unkill 7 million people buddy. It hasn't been just... 2 years of waiting to fix a single supply issue. There wasn't like, one single event. The pandemic is still raging in many places, especially China, where most of the supplies come from.

Shifting decades of entrenched industry and dealing with fallouts and ripple effects across every branch of industry is something that can't be fixed overnight, especially with a recession in action.

Good news is shipping prices have finally started coming back down, but that usually takes 8 months to trickle down to stores who already have a year's worth of inventory

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UncannyTarotSpread t1_j0kubs8 wrote

There’s no “fuckery”, just shortsighted greed and the inevitable results of refusing to stockpile necessities, and then the interruption of the supply chain by the deaths of millions and the disability of millions more

There is fuckery, but this ain’t it.

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Rowan_cathad t1_j0i63hm wrote

lmao what other type of fuckery could you possibly be implying?

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petit_cochon t1_j0ijv47 wrote

Right. Like isn't climate change and manufacturers being shitty and political corruption and endless profiteering enough fuckery?

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InternationalCut2610 t1_j0izjxy wrote

We need to supplement our reliance on antibiotics with phage therapy. It's worked for decades in Russia and if we collaborated with them or at least funded more projects to build on existing research it could be a powerful tool to fight multidrug resistant bacteria.

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CatProgrammer t1_j0jftuw wrote

I don't think collaborating with Russia is high priority at the moment.

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InternationalCut2610 t1_j0jxvpm wrote

I guess I wasn't clear, collaborating academically, not politically or militarily.

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CatProgrammer t1_j0k0i20 wrote

I know, but given the current political situation and sanctions I'm not sure even an academic collaboration is on the table for most Western-aligned nations right now.

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InternationalCut2610 t1_j0k5k6j wrote

I understand that but this is just a continuation of politics stifling research. Now we have the internet and can share ideas more to a certain extent. I'm not saying we can discount the political climate entirely but it's extremely damaging to discount a technology because it was developed by an ideological(or existential) enemy. Nazi technology did take us to the moon after all, as despicable as their research practices were.

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Swineservant t1_j0jyg3m wrote

Is anything Russia says not a lie these days? Could Russian science ever be trusted?

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InternationalCut2610 t1_j0k7aiz wrote

I mean, science can be tested that's what makes it science. You don't need to source any materials from Russia to make isolate phages and create a therapy.

You just collect the bacteria you're targeting - which will in general have bacteriophages that have evolved to infect that bacteria - and isolate them.

Then culture a pure sample of the bacteria, add samples of the phages to petri dishes and look for plaques where it's killed the bacteria.

That's a very basic explanation and you need to do more testing to make sure it's safe to be used as a human therapy vs in vitro but, the science as far as the theory goes isn't fake and can be verified.

You can do it in your basement if you want, to target specific strains of bacteria that cause you acne for example. I wouldn't recommend that unless you're interested in learning about the mechanisms behind it and investing in equipment to create a safe and sterile environment.

That said - yes you can trust science from anywhere because the whole point of science is it's empirically verifiable.

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